[Gunnair]

Toastmaker Toastmaker:

Wow, I'm a bit shocked at some of the opinions of modern police training here. As a former Sgt. with the LAPD, I can tell you that most medium and large agencies in the US train their academy students for anywhere from five to six months - then on-duty training with a specialized field training officer for about four months after that before being fully authorized for independant service.

That's the better part of a year and a good chunk of classroom weapons training revolves around the use of lethal force concepts, tactics, limitations and obligations. A military vs. police comparison is moot as the force objectives are completely different. Any contest between an infantryman and a police officer will result in the police officer with much higher pistol scores and the soldier with much higher assault rifle scores. American states that have concealed carry permits have rather adequate handgun qualifications and background check requirements.

Anyway - my real interest was what appeared to be an insinuation that Canadian police officers are not allowed to be armed unless on duty. Is this true? CAN this be true? Somehow, I think not but if it is - it's a shocking and fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of law enforcement.

Seems some military folk have a low opinions of the thin blue line.

Don't know why.

[EyeBrock]

Toastmaker Toastmaker:

Wow, I'm a bit shocked at some of the opinions of modern police training here. As a former Sgt. with the LAPD, I can tell you that most medium and large agencies in the US train their academy students for anywhere from five to six months - then on-duty training with a specialized field training officer for about four months after that before being fully authorized for independant service.

That's the better part of a year and a good chunk of classroom weapons training revolves around the use of lethal force concepts, tactics, limitations and obligations. A military vs. police comparison is moot as the force objectives are completely different. Any contest between an infantryman and a police officer will result in the police officer with much higher pistol scores and the soldier with much higher assault rifle scores. American states that have concealed carry permits have rather adequate handgun qualifications and background check requirements.

Anyway - my real interest was what appeared to be an insinuation that Canadian police officers are not allowed to be armed unless on duty. Is this true? CAN this be true? Somehow, I think not but if it is - it's a shocking and fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of law enforcement.

No you are right. We have a few uneducated posters. Firearms training for Can police is very similar to large US agencies and all police carry firearms. Special constables, such as transit security etc, do not carry firearms unlike their US counterparts.

[Jonny_C]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

sandorski sandorski:

In some parts, Police training goes like this:
Dude1: Son, come down to the Station and I'll get ya to work.
Dude2: Ok cousin, I'll get there.
Dude1: See ya there Brother.
Dude2: Sure thing Uncle.

Maybe in Canada but in the USA every state has a Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) certification process of some sort that is required for sworn officers.

No, not in Canada. Not even close. It's a mystery where sandorski gets that idea.

[EyeBrock]

Old Sand isn't a huge fan of the boys and gurls in Blue. Besides that he's a good guy!

[Jonny_C]

Xort Xort:

X Correct but in the wrong direction most people that daily carry a firearm are much better trained and far more experinced than the police are with their service weapons.

There are extremely few people who "daily carry a firearm", but there are hunters and target shooters (particularly in gun clubs) who are superior to police in proficiency with their firearms. However, and it's a big however, these proficient people do not have to handle their firearms in threatening situations.

Having belonged to an active gun club for many years (and having served several years as president) I'm quite aware that these people consider themselves superior to police officers but they never have to prove it.

$1:

The police training for firearms is very much lacking outside of their tactical units.

Personally I think that's largely correct.

$1:

The training and testing already required for Canadian firearms ownership is more than enough for concealed carry license.

I don't really agree with this, even with the extra training you suggest, but in any case CCW will never become common in Canada. Canadians don't feel threatened in their everyday lives to the extent that they think they need it.

[Hyack]

Jonny_C Jonny_C:

There are extremely few people who "daily carry a firearm", but there are hunters and target shooters (particularly in gun clubs) who are superior to police in proficiency with their firearms. However, and it's a big however, these proficient people do not have to handle their firearms in threatening situations.

Having belonged to an active gun club for many years (and having served several years as president) I'm quite aware that these people consider themselves superior to police officers but they never have to prove it.

Having shot against some active duty LEOs in IPSC matches back in the days, all I can say is they, for the most part, weren't too shit hot on the courses, but I definitely wouldn't want to go head to head against them in a serious social situation. They can call in for backup...... I will definitely give them all full points for putting it all on the line every time they suit up.

[Xort]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Another subject you appear to know fuck-all about.

And another reply showing you know nothing at all.

[EyeBrock]

It’s an argument that can go on for ever.

Personally, I’d rather be at a gun call with a supposedly lesser trained cop than any gun enthusiast.

[EyeBrock]

Xort Xort:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Another subject you appear to know fuck-all about.

And another reply showing you know nothing at all.

Well, what is your particular expertise on weapon and judgement training for Canadian police?

[Benn]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Xort Xort:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Another subject you appear to know fuck-all about.

And another reply showing you know nothing at all.

Well, what is your particular expertise on weapon and judgement training for Canadian police?

I got a nice brick wall you can talk to here. When you get tired of talking to it you can always beat your head in frustration.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Xort Xort:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Another subject you appear to know fuck-all about.

And another reply showing you know nothing at all.

Well, what is your particular expertise on weapon and judgement training for Canadian police?

He stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

[EyeBrock]

I'm not frustrated Benn! As usual, Xort buggers off when he/it is challenged to back up his/its load of old bollocks. He's gone all quiet again.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

I'm not frustrated Benn! As usual, Xort buggers off when he/it is challenged to back up his/its load of old bollocks. He's gone all quiet again.

Can't hear him over the sound of him licking his own nuts...

[EyeBrock]

Brave Sir Robin.

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Brave Sir Robin.

Tomy?