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Bush is coming. Canadians should line the streets, waving U.S. flags, since the visitor will not be – as John Kerry would have been – coming up to take "outsourced" jobs away from us.

Instead, all he will want is Canadian hot air – "support" for a missile defense program that we couldn't stop no matter how hard we tried, and which won't cost us a cent. He'll want more hot air by way of "support" in Iraq – he won't ask for, since we don't have them to give, any front line troops. He'll be quite happy to get a few Canadian folks way back in the supply line, offering medical care or what have you, just so there can be another nation in the coalition of the willing.

In exchange, we get real stuff – reasonable consideration of our problems with cows, fish and lumber. Something for nothing is a deal we should grab with both hands – or at least with one hand, using the other to wave that flag.

If a simple recognition of our own self-interest isn't enough for us to be welcoming, understanding a few things about American politics and international disarray should get us to do the necessary thing.

Bush is the strongest president to take office in many years. He has no operational domestic, and little effective international, opposition. Defying him or insulting him only has the potential of angering him.

Without question, Canada has no capacity to diminish or resist his power. His popular vote margin was the largest in almost 20 years. He is the first president in over 40 years to have his own party in control of so much of the rest of government, from the Congress, to America's state houses, and soon to the courts. On the question most important to history, the war, he has a degree of support from the people of the United States unknown for generations.

Since the election, he has replaced six prominent members of his cabinet, including Colin Powell, making the corporate office of the presidency safe from internal inconsistency. The new leadership will punish leakers at the CIA and closet Democrats at the State Department.

Outside the borders of the U.S.A., opponents of every kind are losing ground. Saddam is in a jail cell, Osama is holed up in a mountain cave, Gadhafi has been tamed, Kofi Annan is likely to be removed from office by his own UN staff for allegedly covering up cases of sexual harassment, the UN itself is mired in a $20-billion "Oil for Food" fraud.

Even the Europeans, unwilling to be cut off from world events, are pretending to themselves they can take part in stabilizing the Middle East by getting Iran to talk about talking about slowing its march to membership in the nuclear club.

France's Jacques Chirac, of all people, because he does not want Britain's Tony Blair to reap the advantages that will come from "bridge building" across the Atlantic, seems able to read the election returns, even though they are written in Texan. He now says "North America and Europe are destined to work together because they share the same values, the same background…The transatlantic link is quite simply the political expression of our great and fundamental values."

During Bush's recent visit to Chile, one of his secret service bodyguards was prevented by Chilean security people from following the president into a dinner meeting. Bush himself, noticing that his bodyguard was no longer behind him, walked into the melee, grabbed the secret service man's hand, and yanked him back in the entourage. It was a telling example of Bush's self-assurance. Afterward, he merely shot his cuffs, muttered a few words in Texan, and went in to dinner.

The American commander-in-chief is riding high. We have no chance of knocking him off his horse. On the other hand, it is a time he can easily afford to be generous, to forget past (and present) insults from Canadian backbenchers. All that Martin needs to do is be civil, agreeable and accommodating.

If the Canadian left is annoyed by our saying yes to a space defence program we can't stop anyhow, or by our supplying "peacekeeping" reconstruction or medical help in Iraq, let them explain themselves to Canada's farmers, fishermen and lumber sellers first. And they also need to explain to Martin why he should allow their self-indulgent anti-Americanism to give the Tories' Stephen Harper so thick a stick with which to beat the Liberals in Parliament.


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Pretty damn good news conference too. Bush is going to be very gracious towards Canada. Perhaps more than he ought to be. But more so since Jean Chretien is gone.


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Roc Roc:
Pretty damn good news conference too. Bush is going to be very gracious towards Canada. Perhaps more than he ought to be. But more so since Jean Chretien is gone.




Thank you for being truthful...


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That Bush.... a real piece of shit.

Sorry Roc, apeasment is not my style.


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Robair Robair:
That Bush.... a real piece of shit.

Sorry Roc, apeasment is not my style.



For a helmet without head, you sound as you are… :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Robair Robair:
That Bush.... a real piece of shit.

Sorry Roc, apeasment is not my style.


Funny, because that's one of the main things that everyone bashes Bush....See, you and Bush DO have something in common :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 30, 2004 1:29 pm
 


A welcome mat? Why don't you turn on the TV to see how many Canadians are up in arms for Bush's visit. Ottawa looks like Kiev right now.

Looks like this article goes against anything and everything Canadian ;) I'm happy Canadians are making themselves heard in Ottawa to give a special greeting to this war criminal.


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Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:
Robair Robair:
That Bush.... a real piece of shit.

Sorry Roc, apeasment is not my style.


Funny, because that's one of the main things that everyone bashes Bush....See, you and Bush DO have something in common :lol:




Let's leave the unique helmet alone, what do you think of the article?


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Andem Andem:
A welcome mat? Why don't you turn on the TV to see how many Canadians are up in arms for Bush's visit. Ottawa looks like Kiev right now.

Looks like this article goes against anything and everything Canadian ;) I'm happy Canadians are making themselves heard in Ottawa to give a special greeting to this war criminal.



Looks like the definition of a Canadian is clearer than ever in this article; however 5000 sleeping cells of Al’Qua’Ada members protesting are always accounted for...


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Andem Andem:
A welcome mat? Why don't you turn on the TV to see how many Canadians are up in arms for Bush's visit. Ottawa looks like Kiev right now.

Looks like this article goes against anything and everything Canadian ;) I'm happy Canadians are making themselves heard in Ottawa to give a special greeting to this war criminal.


Hmm, I suppose, by your logic, every American was against Bush, because they had a HUGE protest during the RNC. Normally the people who are against Bush will hit the streets and protest, while those who are for him have no need to be out on the streets. All you have to do is look to New York earlier this year, and the election results.....


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Robair Robair:
That Bush.... a real piece of shit.

Sorry Roc, apeasment is not my style.


Unlike the left, Robair, I support and defend your right to speak your mind.

I would be less inclined to brand W a "piece of ____ " simply because I tend to view thing with balance.


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Andem Andem:
A welcome mat? Why don't you turn on the TV to see how many Canadians are up in arms for Bush's visit. Ottawa looks like Kiev right now.


It doesn't look like Kiev. It looks like a large crowd in Ottawa. So far the media's camera angles don't show much other than the occasional misguided youth being knee dropped by brave law enforcement officers putting up with a bunch of left-wing kids

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...a special greeting to this war criminal


Would you care to present arguments in support of this assertion? So far, I have not heard/read any evidence to prove this point from anyone that has made this charge.


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Would you care to present arguments in support of this assertion? So far, I have not heard/read any evidence to prove this point from anyone that has made this charge.


I think you should look around then, just try google and you'll find sufficient arguements of that fact.

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Hmm, I suppose, by your logic, every American was against Bush, because they had a HUGE protest during the RNC. Normally the people who are against Bush will hit the streets and protest, while those who are for him have no need to be out on the streets. All you have to do is look to New York earlier this year, and the election results.....


Then maybe you should read the facts and the polls which show how many and what percentage of Canadians "habour dislike for Bush".

$1:
More than eight in 10 Canadians said they harbor a strong dislike for Bush, according to a recent Ipsos-Reid/CTV/Globe and Mail poll.


There are also many other polls which prove this.



A word of advice to the Americans questioning my statements: Please, for once, look beyond your own borders. The world hates Bush.


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Unlike the left, Robair, I support and defend your right to speak your mind.


...and that's why he came to a Canadian site to tell us that we're all wrong.


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Andem Andem:
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Would you care to present arguments in support of this assertion? So far, I have not heard/read any evidence to prove this point from anyone that has made this charge.


I think you should look around then, just try google and you'll find sufficient arguements of that fact.

$1:
Hmm, I suppose, by your logic, every American was against Bush, because they had a HUGE protest during the RNC. Normally the people who are against Bush will hit the streets and protest, while those who are for him have no need to be out on the streets. All you have to do is look to New York earlier this year, and the election results.....


Then maybe you should read the facts and the polls which show how many and what percentage of Canadians "habour dislike for Bush".

$1:
More than eight in 10 Canadians said they harbor a strong dislike for Bush, according to a recent Ipsos-Reid/CTV/Globe and Mail poll.


There are also many other polls which prove this.



A word of advice to the Americans questioning my statements: Please, for once, look beyond your own borders. The world hates Bush.


I'm not saying the world doesn't hates Bush, just that because people protest doesn't mean that a whole country thinks the way the protesters do. Also, you can make polls say whatever you want....

I don't doubt that Canadians harbour ill feelings towards Bush(and the US, considering how they have treated the US flag, by putting it upside down, basically saying fuck you to all Americans - a rather uncivil way to protest if you ask me)but alot of times you need to look at how polls are put together, what questions where asked on the polls, and who was polled....


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