[Robair]

human human:

I was responding to this comment of yours; therefore, I repeat, if reserve the right to make our own policies; we must give that to others.

By that logic we should have left Germany alone back when Hitler was in power.

You choose to wave the right of being left alone with your own policies when your policies include invading other countries which pose no threat outside of their own borders. You choose to wave that right when you cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands to secure the future of your countries cheap oil supply.

There are things that are impossible to ignore if you have any conscience or shred of human decency, 'human'.

Canadas' foriegn policy has always been to promote peace and ease suffering... that is an awefully sharp contrast to the policy of carpet bombing a civilian population because their dictator won't sell you oil.

So I say, save the 'welcome mat' for someone that deserves it.

[human]

Robair Robair:

human human:

I was responding to this comment of yours; therefore, I repeat, if reserve the right to make our own policies; we must give that to others.

By that logic we should have left Germany alone back when Hitler was in power.

You choose to wave the right of being left alone with your own policies when your policies include invading other countries which pose no threat outside of their own borders. You choose to wave that right when you cause the deaths of hundreds of thousands to secure the future of your countries cheap oil supply.

There are things that are impossible to ignore if you have any conscience or shred of human decency, 'human'.

Canadas' foriegn policy has always been to promote peace and ease suffering... that is an awefully sharp contrast to the policy of carpet bombing a civilian population because their dictator won't sell you oil.

So I say, save the 'welcome mat' for someone that deserves it.

Since you guys compare GWB to hitler, then no wonder you came to this conclusion...

Unless you go and live there, you can't even come close to imagine how wrong you are...

Just to give you example on how wrong you are...

Saddam was begging the USA to buy its oil as before he invaded Kuwait.

[Scape]

They live there, and so did these guys/galsand so were these guys in US intel.

February 24th, 2001: Powell Admits Saddam, "has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction" Yet, Rumsfeld is caught telling that it wasn't Saddam who was the 'immidate' threat. No wonder Saddam was trying to sell oil, all the signals given to him were those of comply and you will be spared but that was never the intent of Bush. That is empire.

[sjc001]

human human:

Since you guys compare GWB to hitler, then no wonder you came to this conclusion...

When it comes to the economy Hitler actually improved it in Germany as he promised.

$1:

Unless you go and live there, you can't even come close to imagine how wrong you are...

It is not different than living in the US in the bible belt surrounded by evangelicals.

$1:

Saddam was begging the USA to buy its oil as before he invaded Kuwait.

And your evidence of this is? BTW, Saddam didn't actually invade Kuwait. He had asked the American ambassador if he could re-annex it. He said yes.

Much of what Saddam is being accused of happened during the time when he was still an ally of the US. In fact he used the WMD given to him by the US in the Kurds as well. Som technically the US is responsible for those deaths as well as the current deaths of over 100,000 innocent Iraqis which they were suppose to be liberating now.

[human]

Scape Scape:

They live there, and so did these guys/galsand so were these guys in US intel.

February 24th, 2001: Powell Admits Saddam, "has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction" Yet, Rumsfeld is caught telling that it wasn't Saddam who was the 'immidate' threat. No wonder Saddam was trying to sell oil, all the signals given to him were those of comply and you will be spared but that was never the intent of Bush. That is empire.

What empire is, is what the majority of the herd of people who believe the very people who raised that empire through their views that no action after Sept. 11 is better than going to war over it, and no action toward Saddam will make him a peaceful human; it’s the same kingdom of denial that proved to be wrong when Hitler crossed to Poland then, except, it become an untied empire now through a very complicated issues of ill knowledge that cruised and crossed the lines between the collective of haters empire and the collective of the no action empire…

One thing for sure, we know what the kingdom of no action caused in WWII, therefore we can’t risk waiting for the theory of your untied empire to materialize the same way you believed it to be, and that for one fact that makes all the difference, which you can’t see neither with your both eyes, nor with your reckless thoughts.

And that fact is, Ossama if he wasn’t guilty of Sept. 11, he had an ample time to surrender himself to any neutral party and say I didn’t do it, bring your evidence to the court, but he didn’t because he knows he is the one who did it.

And also the fact that Saddam have even much more ample time to say in nobility [if he was] Let the world send its representative to Iraq, and Exactly like how did the Kadaffy did, this is all what I have, but instead he made objections on the inspectors, staled and kicked out the UN time after time after time and when he approved them, he played hide and seek with the entire world because he had them and he hid them somewhere out of Iraq, using all means of bribes and fraud his political machine can come up with, and what Powel or anyone else’s says about this issue is nothing more than ill knowledge and ill intelligence, period.

So go join in your empire before it melts away.

[sjc001]

human human:

What empire is, is what the majority of the herd of people who believe the very people who raised that empire through their views that no action after Sept. 11 is better than going to war over it, and no action toward Saddam will make him a peaceful human;

Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and in fact Bin Ladin hated Saddam almost as much as he hated the US.

$1:

it’s the same kingdom of denial that proved to be wrong when Hitler crossed to Poland then, except, it become an untied empire now through a very complicated issues of ill knowledge that cruised and crossed the lines between the collective of haters empire and the collective of the no action empire…

Is this in your manifesto?

$1:

One thing for sure, we know what the kingdom of no action caused in WWII, therefore we can’t risk waiting for the theory of your untied empire to materialize the same way you believed it to be, and that for one fact that makes all the difference, which you can’t see neither with your both eyes, nor with your reckless thoughts.

What actually caused WWII was how the US treated Germany after WWI which had left the door open for someone like Hitler. Luckily the US learned its lesson after WWII and helped rebuild Germany instead of what happened after WWI.

$1:

And that fact is, Ossama if he wasn’t guilty of Sept. 11, he had an ample time to surrender himself to any neutral party and say I didn’t do it, bring your evidence to the court, but he didn’t because he knows he is the one who did it.

And that he was acting on god's will just like the Christians who blow up abortion clinics and kill anyone who gets in their way.

$1:

And also the fact that Saddam have even much more ample time to say in nobility [if he was] Let the world send its representative to Iraq, and Exactly like how did the Kadaffy did,

Actually he did agree to let the inspectors in just before Bush invaded. Bush just wouldn't take yes for an answer. Operation Iraqi Liberation was his main concern.

$1:

this is all what I have, but instead he made objections on the inspectors, staled and kicked out the UN time after time after time and when he approved them, he played hide and seek with the entire world because he had them and he hid them somewhere out of Iraq, using all means of bribes and fraud his political machine can come up with, and what Powel or anyone else’s says about this issue is nothing more than ill knowledge and ill intelligence, period.

As it turned out he had nothing to actually hide.

$1:

So go join in your empire before it melts away.

The only ones trying to build an empire is the US.

[human]

sjc001 sjc001:

human human:

What empire is, is what the majority of the herd of people who believe the very people who raised that empire through their views that no action after Sept. 11 is better than going to war over it, and no action toward Saddam will make him a peaceful human;

$1:

Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and in fact Bin Ladin hated Saddam almost as much as he hated the US.

$1:

This is your your manifesto

$1:

it’s the same kingdom of denial that proved to be wrong when Hitler crossed to Poland then, except, it become an untied empire now through a very complicated issues of ill knowledge that cruised and crossed the lines between the collective of haters empire and the collective of the no action empire…

This is historical fact and the lessons drwn from it, read some histrory instead of your own posts for a change...

$1:

One thing for sure, we know what the kingdom of no action caused in WWII, therefore we can’t risk waiting for the theory of your untied empire to materialize the same way you believed it to be, and that for one fact that makes all the difference, which you can’t see neither with your both eyes, nor with your reckless thoughts.

$1:

What actually caused WWII was how the US treated Germany after WWI which had left the door open for someone like Hitler. Luckily the US learned its lesson after WWII and helped rebuild Germany instead of what happened after WWI.

How nice? A pure diamond Islamic Neo-Nazi in the ruff is in our midst, and I was wondering what attracted you to my humble posts, what next genious, are you going to declare Napoleon's defeats were a US wrong doing too...

$1:

And that fact is, Ossama if he wasn’t guilty of Sept. 11, he had an ample time to surrender himself to any neutral party and say I didn’t do it, bring your evidence to the court, but he didn’t because he knows he is the one who did it.

$1:

And that he was acting on god's will just like the Christians who blow up abortion clinics and kill anyone who gets in their way.

No, only if you alone [you sound capable with your dead conscience] do that will be the same, what Ossama did is the same thing your boyfriend Hitler did when he sent Jews/handicapped/and other minorities to the gas chambers with one exception...

The NY one was upward instead of square and flat empty like the heads of some of Nazis I encountered...

$1:

And also the fact that Saddam have even much more ample time to say in nobility [if he was] Let the world send its representative to Iraq, and Exactly like how did the Kadaffy did,

$1:

Actually he did agree to let the inspectors in just before Bush invaded. Bush just wouldn't take yes for an answer. Operation Iraqi Liberation was his main concern.

Wowww... you know what Saddam was kissing the USA a$$ to buy his OIL, and his OIL wasn't enough for him to rebuild the country, therefore he went to Kuwait

I know Saddam's concern was liberation of Iraq from its people because this way he can spend all the money to buy Cuban cigars [5 containers from the food for shame program cost $$$$$$$$$$] and other commodities instead of spending it on the people...

And I will not wonder what he was doing with the money when he wasn't that tight either, but certainly you can...

$1:

this is all what I have, but instead he made objections on the inspectors, staled and kicked out the UN time after time after time and when he approved them, he played hide and seek with the entire world because he had them and he hid them somewhere out of Iraq, using all means of bribes and fraud his political machine can come up with, and what Powel or anyone else’s says about this issue is nothing more than ill knowledge and ill intelligence, period.

$1:

As it turned out he had nothing to actually hide.

I know he is as innocent as you are...

Because you too you are not trying to hide anything too...

$1:

So go join in your empire before it melts away.

$1:

The only ones trying to build an empire is the US.

Here the good news for you today...

I believe you that the USA is trying to build an Empire...

Now try to guess who's going to be the emperor if you keep on repeating this...

[sjc001]

human human:

This is your your manifesto

What's a your your manifesto?

$1:

This is historical fact and the lessons drwn from it, read some histrory instead of your own posts for a change...

I have read history. Too bad the US doesn't value education or else they would have learned from most of their mistakes.

$1:

How nice? A pure diamond Islamic Neo-Nazi in the ruff is in our midst, and I was wondering what attracted you to my humble posts, what next genious, are you going to declare Napoleon's defeats were a US wrong doing too...

I see that you have your pants ready to drop.

$1:

No, only if you alone [you sound capable with your dead conscience] do that will be the same, what Ossama did is the same thing your boyfriend Hitler did when he sent Jews/handicapped/and other minorities to the gas chambers with one exception...

If you truly bothered to read what I had wrote you would have seen that I had agreed with you. The point is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

$1:

The NY one was upward instead of square and flat empty like the heads of some of Nazis I encountered...

What the f*** are you rumbling on about?

$1:

Wowww... you know what Saddam was kissing the USA a$$ to buy his OIL, and his OIL wasn't enough for him to rebuild the country, therefore he went to Kuwait

So? We all know what Saddam was. Back when he killed those Kurds wit the WMD given to him by the US they didn't care that he was a monster, all they cared about was that he was their monster.

$1:

I know Saddam's concern was liberation of Iraq from its people because this way he can spend all the money to buy Cuban cigars [5 containers from the food for shame program cost $$$$$$$$$$] and other commodities instead of spending it on the people...

He was just as much a monster back when he was still an ally of the US as he was now. The US did nothing to stop him whne they got what they wanted. If he would have stayed "pro" American he would still be in power now and still doing as he pleased.

$1:

I know he is as innocent as you are...

I never said that he was innocent. He just didn't have any WMD left since he used up all of the WMD given to him by the US over 12 years ago. He was no real threat to the US now and not to any other nations in the area either.

The US' main ally in the area now, Saudi Arabia, is a bigger threat than Iraq was.

$1:

Here the good news for you today...

I believe you that the USA is trying to build an Empire...

Now try to guess who's going to be the emperor if you keep on repeating this...

That world will truly be screwed up then.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

Just because Saddam kills thousands of his own people with WMD given to him by the US, that isn't the US's fault. The US didn't order the killing of all those people....

Just a big mistake made by the US in given him WMD. Other countries backed Iraq also...

For all we know, Saddam DID still have WMD, and had them shipped to another country. Who really knows, I mean everything can be spun til it looks completely different than it was in the first place. I know Powell said that Saddam had no WMD, but new intelligence comes out all the time. On the other hand, maybe he never had WMD, and the war was all about oil and helping major corporations...

[Twila]

$1:

you know what Saddam was kissing the USA a$$ to buy his OIL, and his OIL wasn't enough for him to rebuild the country, therefore he went to Kuwait

Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq (Saddam) with approval given by April Gilespie (US ambassador) he went after Kuwait. The US gave their approval (proof is on the net) because Kuwait was selling it below price (Which is bad for both economies)

The US was fine with Saddam attacking Kuwait. Right up until the WORLD questioned it.

[human]

Twila Twila:

$1:

you know what Saddam was kissing the USA a$$ to buy his OIL, and his OIL wasn't enough for him to rebuild the country, therefore he went to Kuwait

Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq (Saddam) with approval given by April Gilespie (US ambassador) he went after Kuwait. The US gave their approval (proof is on the net) because Kuwait was selling it below price (Which is bad for both economies)

The US was fine with Saddam attacking Kuwait. Right up until the WORLD questioned it.

Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq?


That summed all your knowledge of the region right here...

[Robair]

human human:

Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq?


That summed all your knowledge of the region right here...

Twila knows what she's talking about. Kuwait was building oil wells on contested land (traditionally no-mans land between the Iraq-Kuwait borders or land that had been disputed) and drilling into what could be argued as Iraqi oil reserves.

(I'm assuming that's what you meant Twila?)

Kuwait was definatly pushing Saddams buttons, the border skirmish or invasion was not without reason, and deafinatly not unprovoked.

[Twila]

$1:

Kuwait was stealing oil from Iraq?


That summed all your knowledge of the region right here...

I'm gathering that it's my turn to piss?

It seems it also summed up your lack of knowledge on this matter with Kuwait.

Course....you could have researched it on the net..........But then you may have found out the truth......helpful hint....it's all in the declassified pages on the CIA website.......

[human]

sjc001,

$1:

What's a your your manifesto?

You don't even remember your own words except if you used them yourself, do you?

$1:

This is historical fact and the lessons drwn from it, read some histrory instead of your own posts for a change...

$1:

I have read history. Too bad the US doesn't value education or else they would have learned from most of their mistakes.

So you claim...




For your majesty to say that “What actually caused WWII was how the US treated Germany after WWI” while the historical fact indicate clearly that the USA did not enter WWI except one year after declaring that war between the Europeans, and the USA did that only to return the favour to the French [independence days] because the French army moral and power at that time was in state of collapsing and mutinies, besides, the USA never signed Treaty of Versailles on June 28, 1919 and never ratified it later, but since the USA entered that war later on, Article 440 came into force according to the terms of that Treaty; so before you make statements next time, remember that there is people around who can detect your fallacy and anti US propaganda.

$1:

How nice? A pure diamond Islamic Neo-Nazi in the ruff is in our midst, and I was wondering what attracted you to my humble posts, what next genious, are you going to declare Napoleon's defeats were a US wrong doing too...

$1:

I see that you have your pants ready to drop.

Actually that was your underwear in transition; next time don’t wear it inside out, and just because you hate the USA doesn’t means you shouldn’t worry about covering that swastika in the middle of blaming the USA of creating Hitler…

$1:

No, only if you alone [you sound capable with your dead conscience] do that will be the same, what Ossama did is the same thing your boyfriend Hitler did when he sent Jews/handicapped/and other minorities to the gas chambers with one exception...

$1:

If you truly bothered to read what I had wrote you would have seen that I had agreed with you. The point is that people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Well hey, you sounded more sarcastic than sincere; therefore since you agreed then why you are worry now; however, Arab stoning is a religious rite commended by the Koran, but it seems like they keep forgeting that when that recommendation was made they only had tents without glass…

$1:

The NY one was upward instead of square and flat empty like the heads of some of Nazis I encountered...

$1:

What the f*** are you rumbling on about?

Not much, just a continuous phase of sarcasm to your USA accusation of creating Hitler, or was it Saddam?

$1:

Wowww... you know what Saddam was kissing the USA a$$ to buy his OIL, and his OIL wasn't enough for him to rebuild the country, therefore he went to Kuwait

$1:

So? We all know what Saddam was. Back when he killed those Kurds wit the WMD given to him by the US they didn't care that he was a monster, all they cared about was that he was their monster.

According to the UN, when he did that he was producing his own Serine in the German built facility with purity of 95%; he imported the alcohol of 100% purity to purify it from the USA under pharmaceutical importation.

$1:

I know Saddam's concern was liberation of Iraq from its people because this way he can spend all the money to buy Cuban cigars [5 containers from the food for shame program cost $$$$$$$$$$] and other commodities instead of spending it on the people...

$1:

He was just as much a monster back when he was still an ally of the US as he was now. The US did nothing to stop him whne they got what they wanted. If he would have stayed "pro" American he would still be in power now and still doing as he pleased.

Glad you said that, but then international politic is about exchanging political interest isn't it, beyond that trade; therefore it is the business of "No permanent Friends in Politic"; therefore as much as this implies beneficially to some, it should implies deterrent to some others who like to play with the big boys, isn’t it? {Only according to your theory]

$1:

I know he is as innocent as you are...

$1:

I never said that he was innocent. He just didn't have any WMD left since he used up all of the WMD given to him by the US over 12 years ago. He was no real threat to the US now and not to any other nations in the area either.

The US' main ally in the area now, Saudi Arabia, is a bigger threat than Iraq was.

$1:

I understand that you didn't say he is a complete goodness, but you tried to defend his position from within wronging the USA's every action.


However as I said before, there is a huge gap between what Saddam used, which was investigated by the UN for all the sites the Iranian filed complains about, sample were taken and quantity, and quality was assessed.

The gap between the production and the exportation against the use is huge.

$1:

Here the good news for you today...

I believe you that the USA is trying to build an Empire...

Now try to guess who's going to be the emperor if you keep on repeating this...

$1:

That world will truly be screwed up then.

Now you tell me...

[sjc001]

Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:

Just because Saddam kills thousands of his own people with WMD given to him by the US, that isn't the US's fault. The US didn't order the killing of all those people....

The US was hoping that he would use them on Iran instead.

$1:

Just a big mistake made by the US in given him WMD. Other countries backed Iraq also...

The US has made many mistakes over in the Middle-East and now they are coming to bite them in their ass.

$1:

For all we know, Saddam DID still have WMD, and had them shipped to another country.

If that were true than the insurgents would have used them already on the US troops.

$1:

Who really knows, I mean everything can be spun til it looks completely different than it was in the first place. I know Powell said that Saddam had no WMD, but new intelligence comes out all the time. On the other hand, maybe he never had WMD, and the war was all about oil and helping major corporations...

The final UN report said that there was no evidence of a current WMD program in Iraq. Its been tow years of searching and they haven't found anything yet. It isn't that big of a country.