[C_is_for_Chinook]

I'm an American, born and raised... to be honest... I always thought how we were (our attitude and way of being) was the same as how the rest of the world functioned, because I always heared about others trying to be like us. I went to Cardston Alberta in Dec, and believe me... tis an eye opener coming home. America does suck... it's also good in some forms, but I must agree with those who say our attitude sucks because it does. Not all Americans are bad, not all of what we do is bad... but then again... we're not angels either. America just needs to leave some matters alone, bury the hatchet... and stop being pompous arrigant jerks... No wonder Canada is better...

[Franco Unamerican]

WarHawk WarHawk:

Notice how I said "a lot of" people, I did not say all. What reason why I have come to this conclusion? Like I said, i'm just going by what I see around me, whether it be in the news, the paper, or just people around me.

Where is the strength of your convictions? Cmon man, I will respect you more if you make blanket statements and stick with them, rather than point out you said "a lot of people"... ;)

But seriously, who can ever say something and say "everyone is this way or that way" ??? There are always exceptions to any rule. With that in mind, we are left with nothing else but to say "a lot of people" say this or that or whatever it is the argument is claiming or referring to.

After reading what I have wrote it doenst really make sense, but I hope you get what I mean... Where is the strength in my convictions you will ask im sure...

[Girlnorth]

spikecomix spikecomix:

The (jk) was there because I know you don't. Funny, I can't watch US news because of the *right* wing bias I never hear anyone with views that are pro-choice or pro-gay marriage. Very few anti-iraq-war views, too. 'Course we only ever notice what upsets us.

You should see the local news around here. Of course, I live in a very unique place in the U.S.

I think a lot of Canadian anti-Americanism comes from our (yes, I'm Canadian) insecurity. We don't have a clear national identity, so we base our patriotism on what is different or better than the U.S. Why do we feel the need to constantly compare ourselves? It's frustrating. I loved the Molson Canadian rant as much as everyone else, but now I kind of resent it. It isn't so much "I AM CANADIAN" as much as "I'M NOT AMERICAN."

I am definitely not anti-American. I think it's a great place. I love living here, and love the people around me. I am anti-Bush, but the two are definitely not synonymous. A great majority of the people I know here are anti-Bush, and they very much love their country.

[spikecomix]

Welcome Girlnorth

Location Location Location, it is true. Canada is big, US is big, so it's really hard to make concrete comparisons. That's why it's best to meet people from other places and compare opinions ^^

Cali is very blue isn't it? I lived there for four years (San Jose when I was *quite* young) and my parents rather liked it, the news I'm basing my opinion on is little 'ol Allentown PA where if church says something, it must be true and anyone who disagrees is obviously a communist fairy and should leave the state. (so, uh... I did ) They don't even like Catholics lol

As for Canadian Insecurity/Anti-Americanism, I don't meet many Anti-Americans in Vancouver as I did Anti-Canadians in Pennsylvania. I have to explain *repeatedly* where Vancouver is lol and literally any time someone finds out I'm Canadian they say "Yeah well BLAME CANADA."

I hate that song lol Not because I can't get/accept the joke, not because I don't like South Park... but because for 3 years that's literally ALL I EVER HEARD. Even if they knew it was a joke, that's all they could say about Canada PERIOD. *stabs PA in the FACE* I'm so glad I left

But yes, I believe that most Americans love their country even if half of them hate their president/policy/what have you. Some of them just need to broaden their horizons to the rest of the world and its residents, even if "USA is the best".

[WpgGweedo]

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[Scape]

And the response to that will be dismissal.

Quit using the US to define what Canada is and you will find that the dismissal will lose it's sting. Macdonald, Laurier, Trudeau and Diefenbaker all did in their time actions that would be considered nowadays as 'Anti-American' but that just means the climate of culture as to what is deemed acceptable has changed. It's a fad this labeling of unacceptable views to US policy as 'Anti-Americanism' but so to were the Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition. We just need to make sure the fad of labeling dissent as 'Anti-Americanism' does not get out of hand. It is one thing to have someone come to Canada and ask them what's up with the attitude but it is clearly another when they start telling how they should then think.

[spikecomix]

WPG I found your post extremely insightful and interesting.

Having a hard time thinking of how to reply but I wanted to say that . I agree that Canada needs to start defining itself other than by contraries.

We can't deny that we are like Americans a lot, but we also can't deny that we are different and the longer I live here the easier it is to see-- although it is still hard to explain Since we can't define ourselves very well in absolutes, it's much easier to define by comparison-- especially when talking to an American.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

WpgGweedo WpgGweedo:

This week I have been preparing a presentation that I will do on Canadian Nationalism, issues of national identity and independence. What does it mean to be Canadian? Are we losing whatever sense we do have of being Canadian?....and if it is worth it to try to regain it.

The Americanization of Canada has been growing every year to the point where we don’t even know where to go to support Canadian business (Ex. Tim Hortons is 60% American owned). The numbers are staggering, but they are too much to get into here.

The more people know about it, the more pissed off they get. We, the ones who are pissed off are quick to be labelled Anti-American.

With that said, this post is about "Anti-Americanism" and how I believe it has become a label. Many ring wingers say, that when you ask people what is a Canadian? They reply "We are not ____, or we dont do ___ " . They pretty much define themselves on what they are NOT instead of what they ARE.

While I agree Canada has struggled to define itself as a nation and a peoples, it is increasingly the case, that ANY ATTEMPT made in this country to define ourselves, results in ANTI AMERICANISM. Let me explain.

Example, Missile Defence. Our country has values. Disarmament, peace, multilateralism etc. Missile Defence goes against all those. Now, sticking to our values helps shape our national identity. So we said no. Now we have all these right wingers in the media and elsewhere saying that the decision was made in an attempt to "make a statement" to "big brother USA" that Canada can stick up for itself. That we don’t need them, because we are ANTI AMERICANISTS. Those same people say the decision wasn’t based on anything rational. Dont get me started on Rationality! (http://boyko.org/gweedo/html/missile_defence.html)
These decisions benifet Canada in the long run, and DO shape our national identity by sticking to our principles.

This label is making it increasingly hard for Canadians to take pride in their country. We oppose the Iraq war because of its original reasoning. We are labelled anti-American when we complain about all the horrors that war brings. By trying to show the world the injustice caused by a unilateral, unjustified attack, we are looked down upon, labelled anti-American.

Overall Canadians are like Americans socially, culturally, and demographically. But our values, principles, and the beliefs we hold about our place in the world, what we hope to achieve from it and the path we take to achieve those goals are substantially different.

Canadians don’t want to be Americans. THAT DOESNT MAKE US ANTI AMERICAN. That is a LABEL that was picked up by the media and generalized to ANYONE who opposes American policy in the belief of Canadian principles. It means we believe in FREEDOM, the freedom to dictate our own future, and when we see the "Americanization" of Canada we get mad, naturally.

http://www.boyko.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=349

First off, while I can agree that you post can be directed towards certain Americans with the values you speak of, and certain Canadians with the same values, doesn't common sense also tell you that there are Americans who thinks just like Canadians on things, and that the whole mix of people from both countries can result in different beliefs everywhere. There's Americans who are even against the Missle Defense program. There's Americans who talk of all the things you mentioned as being Canadian. To me, to exclude the fact that there is such a huge mix of people in either country, and try to define Canada for what it is, while saying that this is different from Americans, is somewhat a half-truth. While it's true that your beliefs, and others here might be different from a portion of Americans -- maybe even a big portion -- there are still millions of Americans(given the size of the US)who want a peaceful, anti-military, anti-war world, and who care what the world thinks and try to make changes within their country for those reasons. Values, principles, and etc are different from person to person. I myself, being an American, do not know what is good or bad, and values or principles to me are largely individual. While Canadians might think differently, that doesn't make either one of us better, and often times good or bad, politic stances, and so on, can look right to the individual, and wrong to another, and both will feel so passionate that they are right that you just have a huge mix of bigots. Lets think a little less about values as a whole, and more about the individual, in my opinion. I hear all the time on Tv about Americans who have these morals, yet I barely ever run into those types of fanatics. There's idiots, liberals, republicans, fanatics, and all of that mixed into the US. Some people don't even care about the Iraq war and ignore it, while others occupy their time with it. The world isn't so black and white, and people aren't so easy to label, to me at least.

[WarHawk]

WpgGweedo WpgGweedo:

This week I have been preparing a presentation that I will do on Canadian Nationalism, issues of national identity and independence. What does it mean to be Canadian? Are we losing whatever sense we do have of being Canadian?....and if it is worth it to try to regain it.

The Americanization of Canada has been growing every year to the point where we don’t even know where to go to support Canadian business (Ex. Tim Hortons is 60% American owned). The numbers are staggering, but they are too much to get into here.

The more people know about it, the more pissed off they get. We, the ones who are pissed off are quick to be labelled Anti-American.

With that said, this post is about "Anti-Americanism" and how I believe it has become a label. Many ring wingers say, that when you ask people what is a Canadian? They reply "We are not ____, or we dont do ___ " . They pretty much define themselves on what they are NOT instead of what they ARE.

While I agree Canada has struggled to define itself as a nation and a peoples, it is increasingly the case, that ANY ATTEMPT made in this country to define ourselves, results in ANTI AMERICANISM. Let me explain.

Example, Missile Defence. Our country has values. Disarmament, peace, multilateralism etc. Missile Defence goes against all those. Now, sticking to our values helps shape our national identity. So we said no. Now we have all these right wingers in the media and elsewhere saying that the decision was made in an attempt to "make a statement" to "big brother USA" that Canada can stick up for itself. That we don’t need them, because we are ANTI AMERICANISTS. Those same people say the decision wasn’t based on anything rational. Dont get me started on Rationality! (http://boyko.org/gweedo/html/missile_defence.html)
These decisions benifet Canada in the long run, and DO shape our national identity by sticking to our principles.

This label is making it increasingly hard for Canadians to take pride in their country. We oppose the Iraq war because of its original reasoning. We are labelled anti-American when we complain about all the horrors that war brings. By trying to show the world the injustice caused by a unilateral, unjustified attack, we are looked down upon, labelled anti-American.

Overall Canadians are like Americans socially, culturally, and demographically. But our values, principles, and the beliefs we hold about our place in the world, what we hope to achieve from it and the path we take to achieve those goals are substantially different.

Canadians don’t want to be Americans. THAT DOESNT MAKE US ANTI AMERICAN. That is a LABEL that was picked up by the media and generalized to ANYONE who opposes American policy in the belief of Canadian principles. It means we believe in FREEDOM, the freedom to dictate our own future, and when we see the "Americanization" of Canada we get mad, naturally.

http://www.boyko.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=349

You're missing the point. Canadians are applouded all across the world for being so anti-american/anti-bush whatever, you're not being looked down apon, but looked up to by the Europeans. Stop trying to make out like you guys have it so bad, because you don't.

I still believe that it is hip to be anti bush. Most people hate him because they watched one of Michael Moores movies, or they think he is "dumb". It has been my experience, that *most* people that hate him, hate him for completly irrational, or unfounded reasons.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

WarHawk WarHawk:

WpgGweedo WpgGweedo:

This week I have been preparing a presentation that I will do on Canadian Nationalism, issues of national identity and independence. What does it mean to be Canadian? Are we losing whatever sense we do have of being Canadian?....and if it is worth it to try to regain it.

The Americanization of Canada has been growing every year to the point where we don’t even know where to go to support Canadian business (Ex. Tim Hortons is 60% American owned). The numbers are staggering, but they are too much to get into here.

The more people know about it, the more pissed off they get. We, the ones who are pissed off are quick to be labelled Anti-American.

With that said, this post is about "Anti-Americanism" and how I believe it has become a label. Many ring wingers say, that when you ask people what is a Canadian? They reply "We are not ____, or we dont do ___ " . They pretty much define themselves on what they are NOT instead of what they ARE.

While I agree Canada has struggled to define itself as a nation and a peoples, it is increasingly the case, that ANY ATTEMPT made in this country to define ourselves, results in ANTI AMERICANISM. Let me explain.

Example, Missile Defence. Our country has values. Disarmament, peace, multilateralism etc. Missile Defence goes against all those. Now, sticking to our values helps shape our national identity. So we said no. Now we have all these right wingers in the media and elsewhere saying that the decision was made in an attempt to "make a statement" to "big brother USA" that Canada can stick up for itself. That we don’t need them, because we are ANTI AMERICANISTS. Those same people say the decision wasn’t based on anything rational. Dont get me started on Rationality! (http://boyko.org/gweedo/html/missile_defence.html)
These decisions benifet Canada in the long run, and DO shape our national identity by sticking to our principles.

This label is making it increasingly hard for Canadians to take pride in their country. We oppose the Iraq war because of its original reasoning. We are labelled anti-American when we complain about all the horrors that war brings. By trying to show the world the injustice caused by a unilateral, unjustified attack, we are looked down upon, labelled anti-American.

Overall Canadians are like Americans socially, culturally, and demographically. But our values, principles, and the beliefs we hold about our place in the world, what we hope to achieve from it and the path we take to achieve those goals are substantially different.

Canadians don’t want to be Americans. THAT DOESNT MAKE US ANTI AMERICAN. That is a LABEL that was picked up by the media and generalized to ANYONE who opposes American policy in the belief of Canadian principles. It means we believe in FREEDOM, the freedom to dictate our own future, and when we see the "Americanization" of Canada we get mad, naturally.

http://www.boyko.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=349

You're missing the point. Canadians are applouded all across the world for being so anti-american/anti-bush whatever, you're not being looked down apon, but looked up to by the Europeans. Stop trying to make out like you guys have it so bad, because you don't.

I still believe that it is hip to be anti bush. Most people hate him because they watched one of Michael Moores movies, or they think he is "dumb". It has been my experience, that *most* people that hate him, hate him for completly irrational, or unfounded reasons.

You know, in some ways I can kind of agree. Bush is just a piece in a bigger puzzle of policies which have created resentment. There's always two sides to every story though, and often times you hear people bash Bush by saying things like "he wants to ban abortion" or "he wants to make this a Christian state" which I find unfounded. While he did do a partial birth abortion ban, I actually find that to be quite inbetween. It's not anti-abortion, and you can still have abortions. I find his whole "amend the constitution to ban gay marriage" thing to be intrusive to individual rights, and I think his anti-tax stance will just promote further decay of infrastructure. Lets also not forget his new budget cuts, which include cuts to things like border security and so on. About the only thing he put more money into is the military budget. He would rather bow to the mexican vote than put in tough security for our borders. Who knows who is coming over the border nowadays. Another thing I don't get is him trying to mess with social security with private accounts, and I do feel that some things were stretched with the Iraq war. This is why I might be anti-bush, or more to say anti-GOP. Overall, I've grown quite sick of politics lately, because everything thinks they are right, what they think is good, what the other thinks is bad, and if you don't agree with their perspective you are suddenly a moron. Pro-abortion people believe it's choice, anti-abortion people believe it's murder, and who is anyone to say they are right or wrong. Best to just sit back and let everyone yell at each other and fight with each other over their beliefs on what's oppression, what values are "just" and "right," and what the United States is.

[canadian1971]

$1:

Americans should never underestimate the constant pressure on Canada which the mere presence of the United States has produced. We're different people from you and we're different people because of you. Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is effected by every twitch and grunt. It should not therefore be expected that this kind of nation, this Canada, should project itself as a mirror image of the United States.

Think Piere says it best eh boys.


Its all polotics...F the governments...come have a REAL beer with me my America amis! Ill kick your ass in a game of hockey, then you can thump me in basketball!

[michaelredeagle]

As my "OFFICIAL" first post to any site anywhere, I thought long and hard about to whom and for what, the internet being compacted with ideas and information. This is the best web site I have ever seen or known of (next to the one I will mention later)and have been looking diligently for.

Enough smooching though...

Ok Here I go,

First of all I have spent, off and on, over 15 years living between Canada and the US, I have the ol' dualie citizanship. Much to my dismay as a child I was brought to the US. I was frequently made fun of till I learned to speak with an american accent. I conformed, (hey, I was 9).

I have seen the world twice since then, not as a tourist but as a man attempting to live in this world, nothing more.

I started with no political bias'.

Then I went to MIT. I was picked up by a company in Arizona that created software for the US government. We made the control systems for the comanche helicopters. We worked on databases for the CIA. It was fun, and although I couldn't get nothing but the most base security clearance, I met a lot of people. I guess I have one of those personalities that make people feel comfortable talking to me. Or maybe it was because people knew I was Canadian. Anyway, people started telling me alot during those all nighters.

I worked there for 2 years. It was all I could take.... (ps when I left I had the network play continuously the molson commercials on every computer, thanks for the downloads)

This world, my friends, is very complicated. I love math and so I have a good knack for putting things together in my head. It doesn't take much to figure out americas roll in the world and what "its" really up to. When people attempt to patronize those who find truths by stating that they are anti american or a conspiratist or unpatriotic (dern'd right, I'm not an american patriot), its a nice way of them saying that they blatently refuse to use the old noodle and dare to think about what they are defending or doing and why (many, especially americans, will come up with denials and plausibilitys and say that its just not true, this refusal I have actually dealt with, ask any american why they are in Iraq this week and see what they come up with. Many others will say that this is not true for all americans, I have lived in 9 states, the few who have broken from the mold are often a self-taught minority, not the 49%, but about 1-2%).

Anyway, when I saw my helicopter going the limit on The Hulk, I felt proud. Then I saw it in Iraq and Afghanistan...

To figure out what to do about the "missle defence" issue is simple and I tend to take a Canadian point of view on it. Diplomacy is the best way to defend your nation. Aside from the "officials" saying that it would be wrong for america to think that it can fire missles over a sovereign nation, america should know that we have militias here too and alot of them are not taking too lightly to the idea of america waltzing along the border and waving their pistolas around. I'm not in one, but I know a few guys, (don't we all), who aren't to happy about americas swaggering and really don't care what even our own polititians say. Let's just say that I'd love to see them test this non-useable weapon, should be interesting.

The world wars ended when one side virtually wiped out the others economy. Much care for the populations was never a concern (ask a draft dodger, as if that was a bad thing, to not get killed or kill for someone else's opinions and beliefs). Am I the only person to read For Us The Living By the great Robert Heinlien. If leaders state that they need ANY weapon to defend "their people" they are nicely saying that diplomacy is for the diplomats and weapons are for killing and that they're not much of a diplomat.

We teach our children to work out their problems yet we "claim" that world problems are "too complicated" to even bother trying. Frustration , ignorance and impatience are the cause of this.

5 years ago I was in my office in Tucson watching the anti war protesters and counted easily a few hundred people on my block alone, yet on the evening news it was, "a few hundred people showed up for an anti war rally, and in weather..." what happened to the other thousand(s)?

Where was the real news? I found the website www.unknownnews.net and saw the actual pictures from around the world, everyone was mentioning the book 1984 when it came to the news brodcasts (So I re-read it, you should too. Brainwashing is not all CIA, its daily misinformationalism. Try Ayn Rands: The New Left: The Anti-Industrial Revolution).

Then, it happened; Helen Thomas, my favorite reporter at the white house, was banned for asking Bush "real" questions.
????
Was I going nuts?

I started to ask others this and thats when the whole Anti-Patriotisms began. It was as if to question the actions of any leader was grounds for treason hearings. "If you don't back the president you don't back america and if you don't back america you're a terrorist!!! (remember that?!?!). The McCartharist came out in force, but this time, instead of anyone doing it in "official" hearings, they were just spouting off on EVERY news station, not just Fox News, (who, by the way, are not brainwashing anyone, they are enforcing the ideals of the few nutty warhawks with the loud mouths and small brains, the smaller the brain, the louder the mouth, watch and see for yourself) And when they get their facts wrong, they apologize in a side note at 11:30 at night.

Then came the lovely patriot act and PAII. I read them.
All the way through.
I wish the american public was order to read it. In fact, I think that someone should hijack the airwaves and just read it over and over again.

If you haven't read it, you know nothing about what america really is and does when the cameras aren't around.

And the americans who were supposedly opposed to anything (liberals etc.) that their government was/is doing protested...
PROTESTED???
What happened to actually doing something about the problems in their country? There protests became "hip" and "in". I noticed that this became "cool" to even the newscasters eventually. So cool that everyone was protesting, but no one was actually doing anything to stop their fellow countrymen. Nothing. "You don't like us killin' go protest in yur first ammendment area." (look that one up). How many of you out there know the one that goes, if you don't do something to stop an evil act, you are saying that it is ok for it to happen.

Then the newsies picked up the militarys way of pacifying any opposition with linguistical wordplay, "they're not rebels, they're insergents" "their terrorist and we're patriot... blah blah"

Someone asked me what canada would do if 9/11 happen in canada. Well, first off, it never would.

This is not a BS Canadian dream answer.

Like I said, the world is complicated. First I said, "I know it won't because I happen to know some Taliban in Vancouver and they said that Canada was a no-no in the terrorist world." He did like that, tee hee.

Then I said, "Do you even know what/who the Taliban are? What their beilifs are? Why they "Really" attacked america? What america did to them that got them so pissed off they went to war? Osama Who? Osama is responsible for 3000 american and others deaths, yet how many millions in Afghanistan alone is america responsible for? Do you even know your own history? Anything??? The CBC did a nice documentary on them, you should see it."

Canada wouldn't get attacked because we don't go around the world Bi**h slapping every country we stumble upon. When a Canadian travels the world, s/he trys to immerse themselve into the culture and take it all in. americans go around looking for the McDonalds and wonder why it smells different. I know, I was asked this by one once in Romania. I wondered why this was and then finally figure it out. They still have what I call the Mayflower Effect. They always think that THIS should be like THIS and THAT should be like THAT where ever they go. They don't want to figure things out. They don't want to know what the locals believe or think or do. "They are not like us, well by (our) god, we'll show them the GREATNESS of being us and make them us (us = US)!"

Now you should know, I'm Blackfoot. So when I say that I know what I'm talking about, I know what I'm talking about. america is simply doing as it has always done. Download some Robbie Robertson music for a quick refresher. A native comedian recently said that Iraq was the New Natives. If you look at any of americas history anywhere in the world OR THE ACTIONS OF THE aMERICAN POPULACE, you will be reminded of The Last Of The Mohicans.

The way Canada and its Aboriginal People deal with each other at least attempts to be civilized. As is its case in the world. Talk it out. Try listening. Try to understand from anothers point of view, and if all else fails, just leave each other alone.

Take this from someone who regretfully made a war machine. How many men, women and children have died because of what I helped make for teh americans. And I didn't even have an important part. But a War Machine is a complicated device full of many parts, and if you don't stop and think about why you are doing what your doing, people die.

I should mention that I married a (now ex-)american. And we have choosen to stay in Canada for good. In her own words, she says that she thought she knew everything there was to know about america till she left it to live, not vacation, take semiars or business, in another country. She says that there is never any real history taught in america, a thing that my american history teacher and I got into many time in high school. She has a BS from Purdue U. She didn't even know that the white house was burned down or that america and canada had a war (then, I showed her that we actually had two). We first moved here 4 years ago then went back for 6 months and she just couldn't stand it. She said that she had never seen so many fearful people, that americans we're litterally afraid of everything like its a part of the culture. They're afraid of other people, other beliefs, ways, ideas, ideals, polution, wars, guns, knives, dogs, rats, mice, too many trees, wild animals, their bosses (this is the Age of Corperations), neighbors, church ministers, homeless people, that guy over there, their own shadows. They are so afraid. And worse, their technology is all based on spying on everyone, "What are they doing over there?" Like the lady from Bewitched who was always hiding behind the curtin watching her neighbor.

whew that was a mouthful.

And now...................

Here is how to say what Canada is without comparing it to the US or saying "it isn't***" or "We don't***.

Canada is curling.
Curling is Canada.

Only in Canada could a sport like curling come about. It's peaceful. It's physical without confrontation. Its challenging. It requires thinking about your every slight action. And when push comes to shove, you can knock the other guys stones away without actually having to knock him away.

By all means, any americans, respond to this post.

And by the way, what's so bad about not liking (fuming hatred) america??? What's so great about a polluted, treeless, fearful, moneygrubbing, stealing, killing, hillbilly filled and run (no offense to canadian hillbillies) neolithically metal, lying, backstabing country? "We're the greatest country in the world!!!", yeah, says who? Kiss my red, white and red az.

I intentionally did not and will not capitalize the A in aMERICA unless the word North is in front of it.

[WarHawk]

If history teaches us anything, it is that diplomacy often doesn't work.

[michaelredeagle]

Someday a politian will go on the tv and apoligize for their countrys actions and make amends. It will be interesting to see what the "terrorists" will do then.

But then again I live in a dream world. I call it Canada.

[WarHawk]

michaelredeagle michaelredeagle:

Someday a politian will go on the tv and apoligize for their countrys actions and make amends. It will be interesting to see what the "terrorists" will do then.

But then again I live in a dream world. I call it Canada.

Probably, but it won't change anything.