[spikecomix]

WarHawk WarHawk:

I think Canadians are just as guilty of being "brainwashed" by the media. "coughthanksmichaelmoorecough*

<_< I don't really understand what you're getting at. First of all, Michael Moore targets Americans, and I don't think he's had that big of an impact in Canada other than for entertainment value.

To say that "Canadians are as brainwashed by "the" media" implies the US media which would mean that Canadians are as brainwashed by the US media into loving Bush. Um... we don't, as far as I can tell.

If you meant to say Canadians are brainwashed by Canadian media (or Michael Moore?) into hating Americans, I don't think *that's* true either. I can't recall anytime coming across a Canadian news source acting un-American, other than editorials. I think a lot of Canadians themselves decide they don't like what Bush is up to, and that's where that sentiment comes from-- the populace not the media.

In fact, I disagree that, unless they're plugged into a US channel for most of the day, most Canadians aren't brainwashed by any media period. I travel back and forth between Canada and the US frequently, and whenever I go to the US I feel like I'm being screamed at from all angles (by media). I don't feel that at ALL in Vancouver.

So... I'm not sure what you meant but I'm pretty sure I disagree with it

[WarHawk]

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WarHawk WarHawk:

I think Canadians are just as guilty of being "brainwashed" by the media. "coughthanksmichaelmoorecough*

<_< I don't really understand what you're getting at. First of all, Michael Moore targets Americans, and I don't think he's had that big of an impact in Canada other than for entertainment value.

That's where you are wrong. A lot of people (especially in Canada and Europe) accept what he says in his movies as the gospel truth, and form an opinion on the USA just from watching them.

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To say that "Canadians are as brainwashed by "the" media" implies the US media which would mean that Canadians are as brainwashed by the US media into loving Bush. Um... we don't, as far as I can tell.

No it doesn't, I’m talking about the media in general. It would be ludicrous to say that it's just the Americans that are "brainwashed" by the media. I don't know about you but I find our media to be just as sensational and biased as their American counterparts.

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If you meant to say Canadians are brainwashed by Canadian media (or Michael Moore?) into hating Americans, I don't think *that's* true either. I can't recall anytime coming across a Canadian news source acting un-American, other than editorials. I think a lot of Canadians themselves decide they don't like what Bush is up to, and that's where that sentiment comes from-- the populace not the media.

Oh come on! When was the last time you saw something positive about the Iraq war being broadcast on the CBC? If they have it's probably on the very rare occasion, because I have never seen it. Our media is full of left wing bias.

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In fact, I disagree that, unless they're plugged into a US channel for most of the day, most Canadians aren't brainwashed by any media period. I travel back and forth between Canada and the US frequently, and whenever I go to the US I feel like I'm being screamed at from all angles (by media). I don't feel that at ALL in Vancouver.

So... I'm not sure what you meant but I'm pretty sure I disagree with it

You probably have become numb to our media then. It's normal to you, and when you travel to the states of course it's going to seem like that, because you aren't used to it.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

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WarHawk WarHawk:

I think Canadians are just as guilty of being "brainwashed" by the media. "coughthanksmichaelmoorecough*

<_< I don't really understand what you're getting at. First of all, Michael Moore targets Americans, and I don't think he's had that big of an impact in Canada other than for entertainment value.

To say that "Canadians are as brainwashed by "the" media" implies the US media which would mean that Canadians are as brainwashed by the US media into loving Bush. Um... we don't, as far as I can tell.

If you meant to say Canadians are brainwashed by Canadian media (or Michael Moore?) into hating Americans, I don't think *that's* true either. I can't recall anytime coming across a Canadian news source acting un-American, other than editorials. I think a lot of Canadians themselves decide they don't like what Bush is up to, and that's where that sentiment comes from-- the populace not the media.

In fact, I disagree that, unless they're plugged into a US channel for most of the day, most Canadians aren't brainwashed by any media period. I travel back and forth between Canada and the US frequently, and whenever I go to the US I feel like I'm being screamed at from all angles (by media). I don't feel that at ALL in Vancouver.

So... I'm not sure what you meant but I'm pretty sure I disagree with it

You know, I think we should think what "brainwashed" means. I mean, I haven't been to Iraq, and how many of you have? How can any of us judge what is going on in Iraq if we haven't been? How can we trust what any media is telling us? Do we know the people who work at the media places? Do we actually know these journalist, or the reason they write what they do? Do we know if they have a bias or not? Of course, we all try to draw conclusions from things we read, and are taught, but how do we know we aren't falling into some sort of bias? It's hard to even know if the media is telling the truth, while at the same time leaving omissions to the complete truth.

What might even be classified as brainwashed could be the media focusing on only one point of an issue. It's like the media, in any country, still tells the story, but focuses more on the negative than the positive, and then the country can fall into believing there is nothing positive going on. This is not to say that Iraq does not have many negative things going on, but if all the media is focused on is mainly the negative, than wouldn't you have a negative point of view of the Iraq war, without ever even stepping foot into that country, and couldn't that imply "brainwashing"? Brainwashing doesn't even have to mean that you are taught to hate Americans, but it's all about subtle things which can be a bias that go un-noticed, towards anything from a pro-gay marriage media, to a pro-pot legalization media. If the media focuses mainly on telling why it should be legal, while still using facts and being truthful, doesn't that still ignore all sides and give more backing to another? I dunno, I find it hard to trust most media when you aren't actually at the scene. Often times they even use first-hand accounts, which have been proven to not be the most reliable.

[spikecomix]

I haven't been to Iraq (although that shouldn't affect my definition of the word "brainwashed" ) and I'll be the first to admit that we don't know enough about what's going on there. From both sides of the fence (Iraq and US). I agree in certain sectors, war being one of them, we have rather limited information that's easy to find, and it's important to evaluate *everything* you read *anywhere* with a critical eye.

"Brainwashed" to me, however, means being bombarded by the same message and accepting it with little or no question.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

Hmm, in that case, I would find it hard to say that Americans are exactly "brainwashed" although maybe Fox News watchers are . IF you watch the normal news at 5, they usually just tell it how it is, remaining pretty objective, while if you turn it to Fox News it's like a yellingfest with republicans usually outnumbering democrats and getting their message accross with more support. If you watch things like the abc, nbc, or cbs news in the US with peter jennings and so on, it's usually pretty objective, in my mind at least. Of course, Fox News has been trying to tear apart CBS and others as being "liberal" but to me it's pretty objective. CNN and CNN headline news are usually pretty unbiased in my opinion, and when they do have people on they give them a chance to tell both sides. I'd say one of the biggest problems in the US is Fox News, although I admit sometimes they do make good points(I'm not going to support the democrats on everything when I see a good point made and agree)they usually bash liberals and hollywood all the time, and barely spend anytime being critical of those in power. Anyone who becomes brainwashed by the media obviously isn't that intelligent in the first place, or isn't as interested in news to really find out info. What can we trust nowadays anyways? Unless we are actually at the scene, I find it hard to make a complete critical judgement on the matter. Although, some people probably come close in their investigations, and those reporters are to be respected.

As far as Iraq goes, I hope you didn't take it as me saying any shit to you. I was just implying that none of us have been, and even the media is shut out of alot of what goes on, so it's hard to know anything. The Fog of War I suppose...

[WarHawk]

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"Brainwashed" to me, however, means being bombarded by the same message and accepting it with little or no question.

I think that is true with pretty much any country. It's not like all Americans are brainwashed, or all Canadians are brainwashed. And just because someone is in favour of the Iraq war, or the President, doesn't necessarily mean they are brainwashed by the media either.

[WarHawk]

I like Fox News.

[spikecomix]

WarHawk WarHawk:

I like Fox News.

You WOULD (jk). Gotta get mah info-tainment!!
Of course not everyone in the States is brainwashed by the media, but I feel like the media is *trying* harder to brainwash people (Fox news being the greatest, but other networks too because they're all pretty much owned by the same people -_-) and that more people are showing symptoms of it.

Johnny>>>"I'd say one of the biggest problems in the US is Fox News, although I admit sometimes they do make good points(I'm not going to support the democrats on everything when I see a good point made and agree)they usually bash liberals and hollywood all the time, and barely spend anytime being critical of those in power. "

*nods* that's why I don't align myself with any party. I make my descisions on an issue-by-issue basis and then, at election time, try to cram it into the two-party system oh joy.

[WarHawk]

It's not like I watch it 24/7, I just like it because i'm sick and tired of the left wing bias in the other networks. I also like MSNBC because of Dennis Miller. <3 Dennis Miller.

[backspin]

i don't even believe everything i write - let alone everything i read!

[spikecomix]

WarHawk WarHawk:

It's not like I watch it 24/7, I just like it because i'm sick and tired of the left wing bias in the other networks. I also like MSNBC because of Dennis Miller. <3 Dennis Miller.

The (jk) was there because I know you don't. Funny, I can't watch US news because of the *right* wing bias I never hear anyone with views that are pro-choice or pro-gay marriage. Very few anti-iraq-war views, too. 'Course we only ever notice what upsets us.

[Franco Unamerican]

WarHawk WarHawk:

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WarHawk WarHawk:

I think Canadians are just as guilty of being "brainwashed" by the media. "coughthanksmichaelmoorecough*

<_< I don't really understand what you're getting at. First of all, Michael Moore targets Americans, and I don't think he's had that big of an impact in Canada other than for entertainment value.

That's where you are wrong. A lot of people (especially in Canada and Europe) accept what he says in his movies as the gospel truth, and form an opinion on the USA just from watching them.

The Gospel Truth /? LOL. I hope there is some sort of statistic you can use to back that one up. In the words of, im guessing, your demi-god, Bill O'reilly: SHUT UP !!! Seriously what a fallacy. DO you think just because you say it, it is true ?

Well, many people make similar random comments such as this. But it doesnt really mean anything, It is totally mind numbing how people generalize a whole country. Warhawk. You are just as guilty of it as all those american bashing idiots that post useless nonsense here.

PS I don think you are an idiot either, so I hope it didnt come off like that.

[Dan74]

I wish I could find a survey I saw but the media was less trusted than the goverment and military.And this was an American survey asking other Americans.
Hell of a thing.
We can't trust the media.
We can't trust the goverment to run the media.State run media is never a good idea.Private interests always get in the way when companies run the media.
We are so screwed........

[WarHawk]

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WarHawk WarHawk:

spikecomix spikecomix:

WarHawk WarHawk:

I think Canadians are just as guilty of being "brainwashed" by the media. "coughthanksmichaelmoorecough*

<_< I don't really understand what you're getting at. First of all, Michael Moore targets Americans, and I don't think he's had that big of an impact in Canada other than for entertainment value.

That's where you are wrong. A lot of people (especially in Canada and Europe) accept what he says in his movies as the gospel truth, and form an opinion on the USA just from watching them.

The Gospel Truth /? LOL. I hope there is some sort of statistic you can use to back that one up. In the words of, im guessing, your demi-god, Bill O'reilly: SHUT UP !!! Seriously what a fallacy. DO you think just because you say it, it is true ?

Well, many people make similar random comments such as this. But it doesnt really mean anything, It is totally mind numbing how people generalize a whole country. Warhawk. You are just as guilty of it as all those american bashing idiots that post useless nonsense here.

PS I don think you are an idiot either, so I hope it didnt come off like that.

Notice how I said "a lot of" people, I did not say all. What reason why I have come to this conclusion? Like I said, i'm just going by what I see around me, whether it be in the news, the paper, or just people around me.

[canadian1971]

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Oh come on! When was the last time you saw something positive about the Iraq war being broadcast on the CBC? If they have it's probably on the very rare occasion, because I have never seen it.

Just last night (March 9,'05) on "The Passionate Eye", a C.B.C. program, they tagged along with the reservist from ALabama(?), Arkansa(?), one of those two, who were deployed to Iraq. It was interesting, didnt condem the war, just gave a look from the soldiers p.o.v.

The only Mike Moore movie I really liked was Canadian Bacon....it kicked ass!