[chigsy]

Take a look at what some Americans think of their war in Iraq and subsequent action for call to boycott, comin' from an Idahoan: From: "martyidaho martyidaho" <martyidaho@mail.sandpoint.net>
> Not One Damn Dime Day - Jan 20, 2005
>
> Since our religious leaders will not speak out against the war in Iraq,
> since our political leaders don't have the moral courage to oppose it,
> Inauguration Day, Thursday, January 20th, 2005 is "Not
> One Damn Dime Day" in America.
>
> On "Not One Damn Dime Day" those who oppose what is happening in our name
> in Iraq can speak up with a 24-hour national boycott of all forms of
> consumer spending.
>
> During "Not One Damn Dime Day" please don't spend money. Not one damn
> dime for gasoline. Not one damn dime for necessities or for impulse
> purchases.
>
> Not one damn dime for nothing for 24 hours.
>
> On "Not One Damn Dime Day," please boycott Wal-Mart, Kmart and Target.
>
> Please don't go to the mall or the local convenience store. Please don't
> buy any fast food (or any groceries at all for that matter).
>
> For 24 hours, please do what you can to shut the retail economy down.
>
> The object is simple. Remind the people in power that the war in Iraq is
> immoral and illegal; that they are responsible for starting it and that it
> is their responsibility to stop it.
>
> "Not One Damn Dime Day" is to remind them, too, that they work for the
> people of the United States of America, not for the international
> corporations and K Street lobbyists who represent the
> corporations and funnel cash into American politics.
>
> "Not One Damn Dime Day" is about supporting the troops. The politicians
> put the troops in harm's way.
>
> Now 1, 300 brave young Americans and (some estimate) 100,000 Iraqis have
> died. The politicians owe our troops a plan - a way to come home.
>
> There's no rally to attend. No marching to do. No left or right wing
> agenda to rant about. On "Not One Damn Dime Day" you take action by doing
> nothing.
>
> You open your mouth by keeping your wallet closed.
>
> For 24 hours, nothing gets spent, not one damn dime, to remind our
> religious leaders and our politicians of their moral responsibility to end
> the war in Iraq and give America back to the people.
>
> Please share this email with as many people as possible.
>
>
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[Rev_Blair]

I've been participating in Buy Nothing Day every year since I first heard of it. As near as I can tell, nobody has even noticed. I hope Not One Damned Dime Day is more successful, but I wouldn't bet on it.

[figfarmer]

I've been buying from anywhere in the world other than the US and Israel since this crap started. Mostly that has just meant some unusual produce choices, but if we all did it they'd sure as Hell notice.

[Rev_Blair]

I never did buy much from the US to begin with, Fig...at least not new. Used automobiles and antique garden equipment are another matter. Lets face it, they really don't make much there anymore. We have been buying vegetables this year because the garden was a flop, but like you said making some choices (and sometimes paying a little more) takes care of that.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

As far as not buying things from the US, I don't think I would ever buy a guitar that wasn't made in the US, unless I didn't have the money. The US makes great guitars I think...

[Robair]

Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:

As far as not buying things from the US, I don't think I would ever buy a guitar that wasn't made in the US, unless I didn't have the money. The US makes great guitars I think...

They were talking about boycotting US products to protest, not because of quality of the products.

Yes, a lot of good stuff is made in America. A lot of equally good stuff is made in any other developed nation as well. I played a guitar hand crafted in Romania priced at around 3,000 bucks that kicked ass on anything I've seen in stores over here. And in Canada?
http://www.borealguitars.com/
http://www.artandlutherieguitars.com/intro.htm
http://www.godinguitars.com/godinwhatsnewp.htm
Just to name a few.

These 'don't buy on a certain day' things are great in theory, but I've never seen one work. I won't buy anything on the 20th if I remember. I know lots of folks down here who would go on a spending spree on the 20th if they were to read that email...

[smokinjoe]

If mass demonstrations didn't work then why would this. Yes in theory it would work. The loss of money and tax revenue would be very high and for that day put pressure on the government. A day of not spending money will not hurt the big companies, it would cripple the mom and pop stores. The time for protest is over. Now action. Real action like taking over federal buildings and mass government official hostage taking. If americans want to stop the war they should show some balls.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

smokinjoe smokinjoe:

If mass demonstrations didn't work then why would this. Yes in theory it would work. The loss of money and tax revenue would be very high and for that day put pressure on the government. A day of not spending money will not hurt the big companies, it would cripple the mom and pop stores. The time for protest is over. Now action. Real action like taking over federal buildings and mass government official hostage taking. If americans want to stop the war they should show some balls.

It's easy to say others should show some balls when you aren't in the same situation. When's the last time Canadians took over federal buildings and held mass government officials hostage? I think in the US we try to do things a bit different given our past of presidents being taken out, civil war, revolutionary war. Oh, we don't have any balls to stand up to our government, right?....

[Richard]

Since when did showing some balls get you anything but jail time..lol

We didn't exactly come out swinging against the GST lie now did we.

[figfarmer]

with a little sense. No, we don't shoot each other often, but despite the crap we see on the movies it was Canadians who turned the tide in the Second World War and at the same time earned the respect of the German soldiers. We have the balls. We also have the brains. The saddest part of it is, we have the knowledge too whereas Americans are suffering from disinformation. If the U.S. sheeple weren't so poorly informed things would be a lot different.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

figfarmer figfarmer:

with a little sense. No, we don't shoot each other often, but despite the crap we see on the movies it was Canadians who turned the tide in the Second World War and at the same time earned the respect of the German soldiers. We have the balls. We also have the brains. The saddest part of it is, we have the knowledge too whereas Americans are suffering from disinformation. If the U.S. sheeple weren't so poorly informed things would be a lot different.

How did Canada turn the tide in World War 2? It wasn't all the money and supplies the US supplied the Brits with? It wasn't Russia winning at Stalingrad and fighting the Germans back? It wasn't the money that the US supplied to Russia? I think that's pretty full of yourself to think it was just the Canadians who turned the tide of World War 2. I don't know what to say to you post other than "what the hell." First, you give Canadians all the credit in turning the tide of the war(ahem, Russia, ahem)and then you refer to Americans as Sheep. I think you are the one who's misinformed. Turning the tide implies that it was Canada alone who made the war start going in the allies way, and that it just plain wrong and disrespectful towards all the soldiers and people of other countries who died fighting in that war. Russia lost millions of people fighting the Germans. I'd vote Stalingrad as one of the major turning points in the war. Just because Germans respected you as soldiers doesn't mean you were better soldiers than everyone else.

I know the Canadians fought bravely during World War 2, but come on man, do you honestly believe that they alone turned the tide in the war, and not the allied effort of all the nations? Are you implying Americans don't have brains? You're a pompous ass, and I mean that in the best way I can say it. I try to stay away from name-calling, but I find your post to be just plain mean towards Americans.

[mcpuck]

Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:

figfarmer figfarmer:

with a little sense. No, we don't shoot each other often, but despite the crap we see on the movies it was Canadians who turned the tide in the Second World War and at the same time earned the respect of the German soldiers. We have the balls. We also have the brains. The saddest part of it is, we have the knowledge too whereas Americans are suffering from disinformation. If the U.S. sheeple weren't so poorly informed things would be a lot different.

How did Canada turn the tide in World War 2? It wasn't all the money and supplies the US supplied the Brits with? It wasn't Russia winning at Stalingrad and fighting the Germans back? It wasn't the money that the US supplied to Russia? I think that's pretty full of yourself to think it was just the Canadians who turned the tide of World War 2. I don't know what to say to you post other than "what the hell." First, you give Canadians all the credit in turning the tide of the war(ahem, Russia, ahem)and then you refer to Americans as Sheep. I think you are the one who's misinformed. Turning the tide implies that it was Canada alone who made the war start going in the allies way, and that it just plain wrong and disrespectful towards all the soldiers and people of other countries who died fighting in that war. Russia lost millions of people fighting the Germans. I'd vote Stalingrad as one of the major turning points in the war. Just because Germans respected you as soldiers doesn't mean you were better soldiers than everyone else.

I know the Canadians fought bravely during World War 2, but come on man, do you honestly believe that they alone turned the tide in the war, and not the allied effort of all the nations? Are you implying Americans don't have brains? You're a pompous ass, and I mean that in the best way I can say it. I try to stay away from name-calling, but I find your post to be just plain mean towards Americans.

Fig,
I'm sort of with yuh and sort of against yuh.

Johnny,
Canada played a way bigger role in the war effort than the US and British media would ever care to portray. Canada Invaded and liberated all of Belgium, the Netherlands and significant parts of Italy. In fact, Canadian soldiers were poised to take Rome when the US commanders ordered the Canadians to stop. US commanders asserted that Canadians would come under attack from US forces if they went into Rome. The Russians did cripple the Germans. This fact is indisputable. The Germans were desperate to control the oil fields south of Stalingrad. They gambled hefty sum and lost miserably. I agree that the German war machine was never the same after that encounter. But, Russia had a lot of help from dear old Canada. Canada sent trucks, tanks, boats, food, money, clothing and many other things that facilitated the Russian army's sustainability. Canada had the third largest navy in the world at the end of WW2. It was Canadian warships that crippled the German wolf packs (not American ships). However, through all that effort, we did not make or break the war effort. Even with a million troops in Europe in 1945, Canada's army was still dwarfed by an American army stated to be about 10 million strong and that was just in Europe.

Johnny,
Americans are oblivious to the rest of the world whether you like it or not. Canadians have a unique understanding of the world around us because we are so small a country (in terms of population). Americans are isolated from the rest of the world by a quasi-jingoistic media. I'm not attacking the average American.. please don't think that. America seems to be a little too patriotic sometimes. It scares the rest of us out here in the world.

Fig,

As many as there are ignorant Americans, there are many well informed, socially conscious Americans as well. The problem is; the stupid ones seem to run the US government.

[figfarmer]

run the presses.

By the time the Yanks entered the war it had gone from Germany pushing ahead to an almost standstill. The attack on Pearl Harbour brought the US in, mostly against Japan, and mostly with them on the losing side until Nagasaki and Hiroshima. That won their war for them, then they threw in their lot with the rest against Germany. I would rather be speaking Japanese than look at pictures from Hiroshima. There was no honour there.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

mcpuck mcpuck:

Johnnybgoodaaaaa Johnnybgoodaaaaa:

figfarmer figfarmer:

with a little sense. No, we don't shoot each other often, but despite the crap we see on the movies it was Canadians who turned the tide in the Second World War and at the same time earned the respect of the German soldiers. We have the balls. We also have the brains. The saddest part of it is, we have the knowledge too whereas Americans are suffering from disinformation. If the U.S. sheeple weren't so poorly informed things would be a lot different.

How did Canada turn the tide in World War 2? It wasn't all the money and supplies the US supplied the Brits with? It wasn't Russia winning at Stalingrad and fighting the Germans back? It wasn't the money that the US supplied to Russia? I think that's pretty full of yourself to think it was just the Canadians who turned the tide of World War 2. I don't know what to say to you post other than "what the hell." First, you give Canadians all the credit in turning the tide of the war(ahem, Russia, ahem)and then you refer to Americans as Sheep. I think you are the one who's misinformed. Turning the tide implies that it was Canada alone who made the war start going in the allies way, and that it just plain wrong and disrespectful towards all the soldiers and people of other countries who died fighting in that war. Russia lost millions of people fighting the Germans. I'd vote Stalingrad as one of the major turning points in the war. Just because Germans respected you as soldiers doesn't mean you were better soldiers than everyone else.

I know the Canadians fought bravely during World War 2, but come on man, do you honestly believe that they alone turned the tide in the war, and not the allied effort of all the nations? Are you implying Americans don't have brains? You're a pompous ass, and I mean that in the best way I can say it. I try to stay away from name-calling, but I find your post to be just plain mean towards Americans.

Fig,
I'm sort of with yuh and sort of against yuh.

Johnny,
Canada played a way bigger role in the war effort than the US and British media would ever care to portray. Canada Invaded and liberated all of Belgium, the Netherlands and significant parts of Italy. In fact, Canadian soldiers were poised to take Rome when the US commanders ordered the Canadians to stop. US commanders asserted that Canadians would come under attack from US forces if they went into Rome. The Russians did cripple the Germans. This fact is indisputable. The Germans were desperate to control the oil fields south of Stalingrad. They gambled hefty sum and lost miserably. I agree that the German war machine was never the same after that encounter. But, Russia had a lot of help from dear old Canada. Canada sent trucks, tanks, boats, food, money, clothing and many other things that facilitated the Russian army's sustainability. Canada had the third largest navy in the world at the end of WW2. It was Canadian warships that crippled the German wolf packs (not American ships). However, through all that effort, we did not make or break the war effort. Even with a million troops in Europe in 1945, Canada's army was still dwarfed by an American army stated to be about 10 million strong and that was just in Europe.

Johnny,
Americans are oblivious to the rest of the world whether you like it or not. Canadians have a unique understanding of the world around us because we are so small a country (in terms of population). Americans are isolated from the rest of the world by a quasi-jingoistic media. I'm not attacking the average American.. please don't think that. America seems to be a little too patriotic sometimes. It scares the rest of us out here in the world.

Fig,

As many as there are ignorant Americans, there are many well informed, socially conscious Americans as well. The problem is; the stupid ones seem to run the US government.

Oh, I'm not trying to put down the Canadian accomplishments in World War 2, and I agree that they deserve more credit than the Americans give them, and I'll agree that there are stupid sheep in my country, BUT there are stupid sheep in every country. Just like you said, it's the stupid people who seem to end up running our country ...of course, not even all those people are stupid, it's just that the US has alot of different types of people. That is what bothered me somewhat about what figfarmer was saying cause he was just sitting there making generalizations about a country that has 300 million people. I mean, just think about how big your family is, and then imagine 300 million people. Think within your family the differences of opinions there can be between members and the different intelligent levels, and you will understand how it's just stupid to label a whole country as a bunch of sheep. While Russia had alot of help from Canada, they also had tons of help from the US. What alot of us seem to fall into is the trap of taking all the credit. Canadians helped countries out, Americans did, and the overall effort of all our countries together are what turned the tide, not the Canadians. I can agree with anyone who says the Canadians should get more credit, but I think anyone who is going to call Americans sheep and misinformed, and then go off saying everyone knows that Canadians are what turned the tide of the war, needs to examine their own information. While Canadians can pull out stories about the bravery their soldiers fought with, it seems like anytime I say that Americans did the same, and lost a good number of people, I am suddenly an ignorant American who doesn't know anything about the war, and told the Americans didn't do really anything. We still gave up a good number of lifes and we have people on our sides who have great stories of bravery just like you all.

[Johnnybgoodaaaaa]

figfarmer figfarmer:

run the presses.

By the time the Yanks entered the war it had gone from Germany pushing ahead to an almost standstill. The attack on Pearl Harbour brought the US in, mostly against Japan, and mostly with them on the losing side until Nagasaki and Hiroshima. That won their war for them, then they threw in their lot with the rest against Germany. I would rather be speaking Japanese than look at pictures from Hiroshima. There was no honour there.

? Is that why the Americans were taking Island after Island and fire bombing japanese cities. Alot of people say that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were un-needed because Japan was already losing -- their industrail abilities had been greatly effected by American bombing. Damn dude, why are you so anti-american? Rev_blair is not anti-american, but you are basically finding everyway you can to bash the Americans, telling them they basically did nothing in World War 2, that they were losing against Japan. Even if the press is run by the corporations, I can still read any book/website that you can, and have read plenty on the war against Japan. Japanese were some tuff fighters, but we were still taking Islands from them. Where'd those Islands go that we fought against them in World War 2 if we were on the losing side?

$1:

The Turning Point

Despite the slightly improved position in the Pacific, the late summer of 1942 was perhaps the darkest period of the war for the Allies. In North Africa, the Axis forces under Field Marshal Rommel were sweeping into Egypt; in Russia, they had penetrated the Caucasus and launched a gigantic offensive against Stalingrad (see Volgograd). In the Atlantic, even to the shores of the United States and in the Gulf of Mexico, German submarines were sinking Allied shipping at an unprecedented rate.

Yet the Axis war machine showed signs of wear, while the United States was merely beginning to realize its potential, and Russia had huge reserves and was receiving U.S. lend-lease aid through Iran and the port of Murmansk. The major blow, however, was leveled at the Axis by Britain, when General Montgomery routed Rommel at Alamein in North Africa (Oct., 1942). This was followed by the American invasion of Algeria (Nov. 8, 1942); the Americans and British were joined by Free French forces of General de Gaulle and by regular French forces that had passed to the Allies after the surrender of Admiral Darlan. After heavy fighting in Tunisia, North Africa was cleared of Axis forces by May 12, 1943.

Meantime, in the Soviet stand at Stalingrad and counteroffensive resulted in the surrender (Feb. 2, 1943) of the German 6th Army, followed by nearly uninterrupted Russian advances. In the Mediterranean, the Allies followed up their African victory by the conquest of Sicily (July-Aug., 1943) and the invasion of Italy, which surrendered on Sept. 8. However, the German army in Italy fought bloody rearguard actions, and Rome fell (June 4, 1944) only after the battles of Monte Cassino and Anzio. In the Atlantic, the submarine threat was virtually ended by the summer of 1944. Throughout German-occupied Europe, underground forces, largely supplied by the Allies, began to wage war against their oppressors.

The Allies, who had signed (Jan. 1, 1942) the United Nations declaration, were drawn closer together militarily by the Casablanca Conference, at which they pledged to continue the war until the unconditional surrender of the Axis, and by the Moscow Conferences, the Quebec Conference, the Cairo Conference, and the Tehran Conference. The invasion of German-held France was decided upon, and Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower was put in charge of the operation.

Allied Victory in Europe

By the beginning of 1944 air warfare had turned overwhelmingly in favor of the Allies, who wrought unprecedented destruction on many German cities and on transport and industries throughout German-held Europe. This air offensive prepared the way for the landing (June 6, 1944) of the Allies in N France (see Normandy campaign) and a secondary landing (Aug. 15) in S France. After heavy fighting in Normandy, Allied armored divisions raced to the Rhine, clearing most of France and Belgium of German forces by Oct., 1944. The use of V-1 and V-2 rockets by the Germans proved as futile an effort as their counteroffensive in Belgium under General von Rundstedt (see Battle of the Bulge).

On the Eastern Front Soviet armies swept (1944) through the Baltic States, E Poland, Belorussia, and Ukraine and forced the capitulation of Romania (Aug. 23), Finland (Sept. 4), and Bulgaria (Sept. 10). Having evacuated the Balkan Peninsula, the Germans resisted in Hungary until Feb., 1945, but Germany itself was pressed. The Russians entered East Prussia and Czechoslovakia (Jan., 1945) and took E Germany to the Oder.

On Mar. 7 the Western Allies-whose chief commanders in the field were Omar N. Bradley and Montgomery-crossed the Rhine after having smashed through the strongly fortified Siegfried Line and overran W Germany. German collapse came after the meeting (Apr. 25) of the Western and Russian armies at Torgau in Saxony, and after Hitler's death amid the ruins of Berlin, which was falling to the Russians under marshals Zhukov and Konev. The unconditional surrender of Germany was signed at Reims on May 7 and ratified at Berlin on May 8.

Allied Victory in the Pacific

After the completion of the campaigns in the Solomon Islands (late 1943) and New Guinea (1944), the Allied advance moved inexorably, in two lines that converged on Japan, through scattered island groups-the Philippines, the Mariana Islands, Okinawa, and Iwo Jima. Japan, with most of its navy sunk, staggered beneath these blows. At the Yalta Conference, the USSR secretly promised its aid against Japan, which still refused to surrender even after the Allied appeal made at the Potsdam Conference. On Aug. 6, 1945, the United States first used the atomic bomb and devastated Hiroshima; on Aug. 9, the second bomb was dropped on Nagasaki. The USSR had already invaded Manchuria. On Aug. 14, Japan announced its surrender, formally signed aboard the U.S. battleship Missouri in Tokyo Bay on Sept. 2.

I got this from the history channel, it doesn't refer to Canadians, but I know they are probably bundled in with the "allies" title. People might say that the history channel is biased, but I find most of that information to be at least somewhat correct.

Oh, and figfarmer, do you need links to a timeline? The United States was in Europe before the atomic bomb droppings of Japan. Where the hell are you getting all your information? The anti-american bible? You said the use threw the rest in after the nuclear bombings of Japan, yet the US was already deep into the fight in Europe before they dropped the a-bombs on Japan.