Scientists warn the Sun has 'gone to sleep' and say it could cause temperatures to plungeScience | 208243 hits | Jan 18 10:36 pm | Posted by: N_Fiddledog Commentsview comments in forum You need to be a member of CKA and be logged into the site, to comment on news. |
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Colder winters and hotter summers were the norm when I was young so this will be nothing new. The Yangtze will flood, Kilauea will erupt, Japan will have earthquakes and the world will be as it should, no matter what we do.
The thing with global warming was that afaik the sun was not overly active. We also had solar dimming for 1960 to 1990, yet temps went up. Dimming has now reversed slightly, and the dimming may have reduced global warming, so we could see temps go up as well
Looks like things are more complicated than either side wants them to be. To say that all the CO2 we dump into the atmosphere has no effect on global temps seems stupid. We may not know all the factors that counteract this effect, but we then also don't know when those factors might abate and global temp really shoots up. Thing is, we're never going to reduce CO2 output to what would be required to reduce or even reverse the warming effect of it, so we'd better learn how to deal with whatever comes our way, instead of wasting money trying to reduce carbon emissions. Just too many bodies on the planet, too many more being born. Unless of course we manage to get fusion up and running - that could be the game changer. Probably find out the limits to that process when we do tho.
Funny how the deniers were all chortling about the cold snap that parts of Canada/US had just now, while ignoring what FOG mentioned - 100,000's of bats falling out of the sky in Australia because of he extreme heat. Vancouver is still balmier than it used to be, and right now in Saskatchewan they couldn't hold some outdoor hockey event because temps were too warm for good ice.
I remember curling in a few bonspiels on natural ice, when I was younger. It`d melt in January or February and we`d have loads of water all over the ice. Sweeping got you soaked and you`d be lucky to get your rocks(which left a wake) down to the hogline at your own end.
In the end, they`re going to discover that climate prediction is more effective when they use use fresh entrails.
The thing with global warming was that afaik the sun was not overly active. We also had solar dimming for 1960 to 1990, yet temps went up. Dimming has now reversed slightly, and the dimming may have reduced global warming, so we could see temps go up as well
I know what you're talking about, but I'm not sure the picture you're painting is accurate. Wasn't it more like there was a period of less active solar activity, but wasn't it more like the sun was less active in comparison to the higher activity that preceded it? Is comparing that to what's happening now really accurate?
Also did you read the one last week in Nature saying how the Warmers are now looking for an excuse for the climate pause (no warming in 16-17 years) so they've hit on what skeptics used to highlight during the height of the warming hysteria. That being; the natural cycle of warmer water that may present itself as what's called the PDO seems to affect global temps, and that oscillation has gone quiet recently. However around the period you're talking about the PDO was so active it seemed anomalous. It was a period some call the "Great Pacific Climate Shift".
Here's an unrelated thing. If the quiet sun actually is going to cool things down, and let's pretend CO2 actually does have the hyper-active, positive feedback, Antarctic melting, Greenland boiling affect warmers attribute to it, wouldn't it be wise to start burning coal for industry like crazy? Wouldn't it be better to be warm than cold?
Very bad for Canada - we could lose our wheat growing ability.
The thing with global warming was that afaik the sun was not overly active. We also had solar dimming for 1960 to 1990, yet temps went up. Dimming has now reversed slightly, and the dimming may have reduced global warming, so we could see temps go up as well
Looks like things are more complicated than either side wants them to be. To say that all the CO2 we dump into the atmosphere has no effect on global temps seems stupid. We may not know all the factors that counteract this effect, but we then also don't know when those factors might abate and global temp really shoots up. Thing is, we're never going to reduce CO2 output to what would be required to reduce or even reverse the warming effect of it, so we'd better learn how to deal with whatever comes our way, instead of wasting money trying to reduce carbon emissions. Just too many bodies on the planet, too many more being born. Unless of course we manage to get fusion up and running - that could be the game changer. Probably find out the limits to that process when we do tho.
Funny how the deniers were all chortling about the cold snap that parts of Canada/US had just now, while ignoring what FOG mentioned - 100,000's of bats falling out of the sky in Australia because of he extreme heat. Vancouver is still balmier than it used to be, and right now in Saskatchewan they couldn't hold some outdoor hockey event because temps were too warm for good ice.
We need more CO2, my carrots will grow bigger.
Here's an unrelated thing. If the quiet sun actually is going to cool things down, and let's pretend CO2 actually does have the hyper-active, positive feedback, Antarctic melting, Greenland boiling affect warmers attribute to it, wouldn't it be wise to start burning coal for industry like crazy? Wouldn't it be better to be warm than cold?
They actually found that there was a cooling trend in climate when there was an upturn in economic activity. The extra particulate in the atmosphere blocked solar energy, and when there was an economic downturn the air cleared up and temperatures went up.
*this quote function seems a little off
Mind you it is a blog, so take it with a grain of salt.
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2013/11 ... %E2%80%9D/
Its by a Space Environment Physics Professor from Reading University.