[Mr.Can-Euro]

I started caring when I witnessed more business in Canada was being sold out to foreign buyers a few years back. I also started caring when I started to witness an increase in American business in Canada and our government starting to agree to integrate more with some US policies. I was angered by this and started to search on the internet for a group of people who also cared. That is how I stumbled across "Vive Le Canada" and I became a member because I wanted to discuss with others who do care about Canada and keeping it sovereign and free with its own policies as I do.

[Elbie]

For me, I first started caring about current affairs and the like after getting hooked on <i>Royal Canadian Air Farce</i> and <i>This Hour Has 22 Minutes</i>; I was motivated to keep up with news so that I'd understand the satire. I started watching either <i>The National</i> or <i>Le Téléjournal</i> every night (and still do), and began forming my opinions on the issues and the like. <br /> <br />When I started getting addicted to the internet, I made many friends from outside Canada, and it made me realize just how lucky I was to be Canadian. I also encountered many apathetic "americanised" Canadians, both on the net and in real life, and such encounters just made me want to fight to hold onto our culture.

[civiltech]

When I started seeing governments lie after promises to the people who elected them. After parties would push through legislation merely because it fit with the "left or right" of there party, and not for the good of the constituents.....when we would trade in our heritage, our history, and our future for the short term benefits. <br /> <br />It just ain't right!!!! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/eek.gif' alt='Eek!'>

[Brianne]

*never noticed this thread before...* <br /> <br />I never really had a chance. I was on my gran's shoulders when she marched in peace rallies, pushed in the buggy with my parents when they were out on strike, in my first fight with my Kindergarten teacher, I called her an "instrument of the bosses!" a term I'd heard from my Uncle Russ the evening before, talking about his steward. I was at Seattle in '99, when I was sixteen, joined the NDP just after I graduated high school, and got down to work. There was never 'a moment' but a general sense of heritage- fourth generation CCF-NDP and still working on some of the original ideas, good grief! Caring was ingrained from the cradle, learning to fightback was one of my first lessons, and jeering Mulroney in '88 one of my earliest memories (and jeering him in '04 one of my most recent. Continuity!) No, I didn't have a chance, and I don't think I'd have it any other way.

[whelan costen]

Brianne you have the makings of a leader! As I read your posts I feel the passion, even before I read this one! I look forward to reading more. We need more Briannes <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <br /> <br />Civiltech you have brought your passion and disgust to the right place! We are all committed to bringing back the country we love from the stanglehold of corporate dictators and governments that lack the will to represent the people first! We often disagree on how to get there, but we are motivated for the most part, by a strong desire for a great country. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[civiltech]

[QUOTE BY= whelan costen] Brianne you have the makings of a leader! As I read your posts I feel the passion, even before I read this one! I look forward to reading more. We need more Briannes <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <br /> <br />Civiltech you have brought your passion and disgust to the right place! We are all committed to bringing back the country we love from the stanglehold of corporate dictators and governments that lack the will to represent the people first! We often disagree on how to get there, but we are motivated for the most part, by a strong desire for a great country. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> [/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Patriotic words, and well said! The Dominion of Canada has better days ahead!

[robert_fisher]

"In terms of Canadian sovereignty and some other issues, I think when Bush became President in the US it really became clear how much of a threat we were under and what could happen if nothing was done." <br /> <br />Personally, I couldn't agree more. I bet there are a lot of teens, 20somethings, that would agree with that statement. <br /> <br />My question is: How is it that people can still not care?

[gaulois]

[QUOTE BY= robert_fisher] "...I think when Bush became President in the US it really became clear how much of a threat we were under and what could happen if nothing was done." <br /> <br />My question is: How is it that people can still not care?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Ignorance is bliss. Sometimes it is so much easier to not ask the hard questions.

[Brianne]

I feel that people are still trying to deny that there are massive problems. They don't want to face the truth, nor do they want to put in the hard work required to fix these problems while we still have a chance. No matter what we say about ouselves, not many people want to do the tough work, not many people want to take a stand. Our culture tells us that if you are not an expert (with a thousand degrees or years of experience behind you) your opinion isn't really valid. <br />

[Calumny]

You're right, Brianne. <br /> <br />However, the so called 'experts' and the 'best and brightest' haven't got us to far to date. <br /> <br />Degrees don't make wise or intelligent people. Degrees keep tenured profs in jobs and offer some assurance, hopefully, of competence, in specific disciplines. <br /> <br />Everyone has something to say and offer. Sometimes the most accomplished in an academic sense have the least to offer because all they've accrued is information memorized by rote and never actually thought through or considered. <br /> <br />People need to understand and believe that they each something of value and to offer. <br /> <br />Getting back to the topic, if you'd had that photograph up before, CWC, we'd probably have had a lot more Canadians (males at least) signing onto the good ship Sovereignty...hubba, hubba. <br /> <br /><b>In no way was the above intended to be harassing or offensive in any way</b> <br /> <br />Oh, I'm so PC these days...sigh <br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'>

[whelan costen]

Ah you made me laugh...No offense taken! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/redface.gif' alt='Oops!'>

[z_whalen]

[QUOTE]In terms of Canadian sovereignty and some other issues, I think when Bush became President in the US it really became clear how much of a threat we were under and what could happen if nothing was done.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I think that's true for a lot of people. And if Bush getting elected didn't get them interested, 9/11 and the war on terror did the trick. I worry, though, that a lot of this interest will evaporate if Bush is not reelected. I have seen people who seem to have the idea that Bush is behind everything that is wrong in the world. So this is my question: if Bush loses this election, what is going to happen? Will people stop caring? I'm betting in a post-Bush era people will be even more apathetic than they are now, because they won't have a figurehead to blame all their problems on. For manipulators, apathy is power, so perhaps we could expect to see our government disregarding its citizens even more. Just guessing.

[Dr Caleb]

How do you like my new one, C#?? <br /> <br />I hope I didn't catch you with a mouth full of liquid! <br /> <br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= z_whalen] [QUOTE]In terms of Canadian sovereignty and some other issues, I think when Bush became President in the US it really became clear how much of a threat we were under and what could happen if nothing was done.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I think that's true for a lot of people. And if Bush getting elected didn't get them interested, 9/11 and the war on terror did the trick. I worry, though, that a lot of this interest will evaporate if Bush is not reelected. I have seen people who seem to have the idea that Bush is behind everything that is wrong in the world. So this is my question: if Bush loses this election, what is going to happen? Will people stop caring? I'm betting in a post-Bush era people will be even more apathetic than they are now, because they won't have a figurehead to blame all their problems on. For manipulators, apathy is power, so perhaps we could expect to see our government disregarding its citizens even more. Just guessing.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />Great point. The only difference between Bush and Kerry I can see is Keey wants universal acceptance of American domination, and BUsh doesn't care what the world thinks. If you do some internet searches, you can learn a lot about the "Skull and Bones society," of which BOTH of them are members. How's that for democracy? <br /> <br />Although Bush is crazy, for the reason you mentioned I hope Bush wins...he may run the U.S. into the ground, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing long-term for anyone.

[gaulois]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] Although Bush is crazy, for the reason you mentioned I hope Bush wins...he may run the U.S. into the ground, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing long-term for anyone.[/QUOTE] <br />Has it not done this already and it is now time to move on?