[claytonrumley]

<p>Apparently Stats Canada is also interested in who's boycotting the census.</p><br /> <p>I log all hits to my personal site (which recently has a had a lot of anti-census posts on it) and where the hits are coming from. Today I got the following hit:</p><br /> <p>2006-5-19 12:11:04 142.206.2.9 stcweb6.statcan.ca<br /> http://www.google.ca/search?ie=UTF-8&q=census+2006+canada+boycott&sa=N&tab=nw</p><br /> <p>Basically, at 12:11 my time someone from a stats canada computer did a google search for "census 2006 canada boycott" and hit my site. I've had a couple of similar hits over the past week from Stats Can and one from a domain ending in justice.gov.ca.</p><br /> <p>I'm posting this for no other reason than to point out that the Powers That Be are watching.</p>

[Roy_Whyte]

LOL, after reading this I went and checked our server logs for the past few weeks, and sure enough, there are a sprinkling of those as well.<br /> <br /> It could also be a pissed-off insider surfing on company time...

[FurGaia]

<p><br /> Susan, this thread will eventually disappear from the main page. May I suggest a link to it, say for a few months, somewhere on the main page?<br /> <br /> For now, all is quiet. It will take some time before things start going haywire. We will need this thread then!<br /> <br /> BTW, my site is being accessed as well for its posts on the Census Boycott. It feels like people are starting to search for reasons to boycott the Census and are looking for information on the web. I do not know who are reading the Census Boycott postings on my blogsite. I do know though that one search was about "Census 2006 - Weapons" ... and that was two days ago!

[sthompson]

I have posted the link to this forum and also to the boycott map set up by a reader to the census action page which will remain up. See <a href="http://census.vivelecanada.ca">census.vivelecanada.ca</a>.<br /> <br /> Also, a reader/supporter has set up a map where boycotters can post their location. See <a href="http://www.frappr.com/notothecensus">http://www.frappr.com/notothecensus</a><br /> <br /> I have considered setting up an email group as well but since we changed the site I can't set up a new email mailing list through Vive. I can talk to Jesse, but I'd appreciate it if people would also please let me know if they are interested in this.<br /> <br /> I don't have a final count of boycotters as yet since people continue to email me but I am working on getting a decent estimate.<br /> <br /> UPDATES: I have gone through most of my email and about 55 people have actually emailed to say that they are completing a full boycott (this does not include Vive board members, or of course people who have not written to us to let us know what they're doing). About 150 people have written to say they are taking some other action (from posting posters to filling out the paper form to minimal cooperation), and about 950 people have sent the email letter in support of the action (FYI, the letter wasn't working since the latest security upgrade but has been fixed again).<br /> <br /> Also FYI, a reader has told us that that there was a census case in Alberta a few years ago, and the person who was charged with not completing the census fought it and won. His name was apparently Gary Gavreau. I don't have any more information at this time but if so it could be a useful precedent to cite in any court case. This reader allegedly simply cited that case to census workers and has not been bothered about filling in the form since.<br /> <br />

[FurGaia]

Thanks Susan ... for everything! You are such a beacon of light and hope! I am indeed extremely moved by your courage and dedication.<br /> <br /> First, things are moving in my case in the sense that my partner has received a letter from Ivan Fellegi. I, on the other hand, did not receive anything. Needless to say, his letter totally ignored the ethical dimension of having Lockheed participate in our Census!<br /> <br /> I do not particularly care not having received a response from Mr. Fellegi except for the fact that "I" was the one who instigated this boycott in our family unit. The thing is what can one do in such a case whereby if charges are laid, although I am quite certain that my partner would be willing to face the consequences of our act, I would still want to be the one being charged. Any feedback on that dilemma would be very welcome.<br /> <br /> Secondly, I live in Ottawa. If there are boycotters from that area who want to contact us, feel free to do so. My email is available on this website.

[Armageddon]

Don't mean to sound naive or anything, but why are you guys boycotting the census?

[FurGaia]

<i>Vive</i> has <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/staticpages/index.php/20060423184107361">a very detailed presentation</a> on the reasons underlying the Census boycott.<br /> <br /> I suspect that each one will have one prime reason that motivates her or his boycott. For me, the following comment made by <i>Vive</i>'s member Roy Whyte at <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060509115336130">this post</a> says it all: <br /> <blockquote>Lockheed Martin being a manufacturer of WMD's might not mean anything to you, but it does to those with a forward looking conscious. Canadians not tied to the American killing machine could have provided as good or better service than Lockheed Martin. Stats Canada employees I have spoken with said that with a little time, the same amount of money, and the political will, they could have done everything LM is.<br /> <br /> LM has one business model above all others - the killing of human beings for profit. My tax dollars should not be spent helping them do what they do. Especially in light of their mechanisms are now killing innocent Iraqis in an illegal war. You might brush that off via your cut and dried free market idealism, but that speaks to your lack of compassion, not to those fighting for what is right and decent.<br /> <br /> If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.</blockquote><br /> My absolute loathing of anything Lockheed is based also on material such as these <a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=MOR20040708&articleId=709">here</a> and <a href="http://www.cursor.org/stories/uranium.htm">here</a>. More articles can be accessed through <a href="http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Estgvisie/VISIE/ud_main.html">this site</a> as well <i>(Caution: Some material on that site are very graphic!)</i>.<br /> <br /> I am very troubled, confused and filled with a deep sorrow that Statscan chose to ignore such concerns as those put forward at <i>Vive</i>. I remain convinced that if more Canadians had been aware of those concerns, they too would have participated in this boycott in order to voice their disgust and repulsion!

[wasjod]

I am boycotting the census outright, I threw mine in the bin where it belongs. I am in Calgary. I have not got any feedback as of yet from Stats Can, I have only received the original census and a reminder postcard a day after I received the census form. Like I said previously, both are in the garbage. I want to go to court and I want to challenge the fact that the census is unconstitutional in it's present form. The only information Stats Can needs to know is the number of people in a house and how old they are. As a libertarian I have problems with even that. Knowing my name will not improve government services and neither will my sex or my sexual orientation. Of course if I was a transexual I would have no box to check, perhaps I should sue Stats Can for discrimination.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

[Armageddon]

Or you could just suck it up and fill in the boxes.

[wasjod]

Go away troll. Start another topic to debate if people should or should not fill in the census.

[Dancing]

Email sent May 27 to Ivan Fellegi, Chief Statistician of Canada. <br /> <br /> (Note: In my experience, this web-site is likely to hear almost zero about what people are actually doing. Don't let that discourage you. Know that the work is being done. Thanks for co-ordinating it!)<br /> -----------------<br /> <br /> Dear Ivan Felligi,<br /> <br /> In your response you defend the tendering process.<br /> The tendering PROCESS is of little concern to me. <br /> <br /> The OUTCOME is. <br /> <br /> I am vehemently opposed to actions that enrich corporations that are part of the American war machine. <br /> <br /> I doubt it is possible for you to address my fundamental objection, communicated to you beginning in 2003 or 2004.<br /> <br /> Best wishes,<br /> <br /> -----Original Message-----<br /> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]<br /> Sent: May 18<br /> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]<br /> Subject: Count me out of the census!<br /> Importance: High<br /> <br /> The Minister Responsible for Statistics Canada, the Honourable Maxime<br /> Bernier, has asked me to respond to your email of May 3, 2006.<br /> <br /> I would like to assure you that Statistics Canada has taken a number of<br /> important safeguards to protect the privacy and confidentiality of your<br /> Census responses. These safeguards have been independently assessed by<br /> IT security specialists and the entire assessment process overseen by a<br /> Task Force headed by the former Auditor General of Canada, Mr. Denis<br /> Desautels. The task force was clear in their conclusion: "Canadians<br /> can trust that the information gathered during the 2006 Census will be<br /> secure." The entire report is available at www.census2006.ca. I would<br /> also like to expand on some of the security safeguards in place for the<br /> 2006 Census.<br /> <br /> Statistics Canada is completely responsible for every phase of<br /> conducting the 2006 Census. The contract with Lockheed Martin Canada,<br /> IBM Canada and Transcontinental Printing Canada is strictly for the<br /> provision of hardware, software and printing services. No contractor<br /> ever has access to or is in possession of Census responses.<br /> <br /> Census information is, at all times, under the complete care and full<br /> control of Statistics Canada employees. In fact, all census databases,<br /> facilities and networks containing confidential data are physically<br /> isolated from any networks outside Statistics Canada. Therefore, even if<br /> a request were ever to be made by an external authority to any<br /> contractor for confidential data, it would be physically impossible for<br /> a contractor to comply, given that they are never in possession of<br /> census responses.<br /> <br /> Public Works and Government Services Canada awarded the contract through<br /> an open, transparent, and stringent competitive bidding process<br /> following all the laws and regulations pertaining to procurement.<br /> Statistics Canada has relied on the private sector in the past to<br /> provide equipment and services to conduct a Census in a cost effective<br /> manner, without compromising confidentiality, and the 2006 Census is no<br /> exception.<br /> <br /> Census data are a vital source of information for decisions by<br /> governments and private citizens and businesses that affect the daily<br /> lives of Canadians. The data must be complete and accurate for these<br /> purposes. We have put so much emphasis on security and confidentiality<br /> measures regarding contractor provided systems to ensure that Canadians<br /> can complete their Census questionnaires in full confidence of these<br /> measures. It is critical that we all be part of the Canadian family<br /> portrait that is the Census. I urge you to be part of that portrait.<br /> <br /> Thank you for your interest in the census.<br /> <br /> Ivan P. Fellegi<br /> Chief Statistician of Canada

[janecanadian]

<br /> <br /> Having not managed to locate my previously fully completed census forms before the date of May 16 - I was lucky enough to have my own personal census rep right smack in the building. <br /> <br /> My first introduction to 'Roweena' as she may or may not be called, was via a rather aggressive phone message advising me she WOULD be in contact with me either MONDAY or Tuesday!!!<br /> <br /> Funny thing is, I happened to notice Roweena had called me from a Blocked 'Private Caller' number - so, it was kind of ironic someone calling to get my information didn't even trust me enough to let me see what telly they were calling from. <br /> <br /> Anyhoo, Roweena has since appeared at my door - and when she did, I politely asked her if she had any written information regarding the Lockheed Martin contract or any kind of word she was supposed to pass along regarding protection of our information by the federal government. <br /> <br /> She was about to suggest she'd heard something about that from a radical type of group, but before she could - I added I'd attended a meeting through work regarding the Privacy act, and had been assured by the MP's office - we would have access to just such an informative document via census takers who came to the door..<br /> <br /> Here's the thing - Roweena seems to know what document I'm taking about - in fact, she said she can get it from her Crew Leader by tomorrow. So I'll preface here cause' I'm very interested to see this bit of written info, which I'm pretty sure 'someone' made up in their head to begin with... <br /> <br /> ; ) <br /> <br /> I will be cooperating with the Canadian Census - but I'd like to bear personal witness to hard-working Canadians, taking me by the hand, and leading me step by step through this little information session, so I can be assured I am indeed working with Canadian people, giving Canadian information, to my Canadian Government, so it can be used for Canadian purposes, until such time as we get annexed, and it just doesn't matter anyway..<br /> <br /> ; ) <br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong - there's a two-fold message here...<br /> <br /> <br /> I love Americans<br /> Americans hate Lockheed Martin<br /> Therefore, I hate Lockheed Martin too.<br />

[Dr Caleb]

Hmmmm. Two new users. 1 post each, same thread. Consecutive, same day registration. Pro-census.<br /> <br /> No, I'm not the suspicious type.

[Dancing]

That Dr Caleb can interpret my response to Ivan Felligi's letter (to me) as being "pro-census" is a great surprise to me.

[Roy_Whyte]

[QUOTE BY= Dancing] That Dr Caleb can interpret my response to Ivan Felligi's letter (to me) as being "pro-census" is a great surprise to me.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I agree. Where did you get that idea Dr Caleb?<br /> <br /> I still have not heard a peep from StatsCan. They did get my blank forms with a hand written note inside the package detailing my name and contact numbers, so I imagine they are just busy doing what they do. Then again maybe the 105 lb snarling rottweiler I keep tied up near my front door during the day keeps them away... or maybe it was because the note said take me to court? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'>