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PostPosted: Sun Sep 18, 2022 11:53 pm
 




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PostPosted: Mon Sep 19, 2022 6:28 am
 


Thanos Thanos:
I'd wager a bet that there's lots of old Cold Warriors from the Western side just amazed at how truly terrible Russia is against anyone who can fight back like the Ukrainians have. And amazed too at how putting Western weapons into someone's possession turns it into a lopsided fight where the Russian pukes are at a massive disadvantage. And those old soldiers probably realize with a certainty too now that all we had to be afraid of from the Russians was their nuclear weapons and spy apparatus. In any straight-up fight the West prevails, even when outnumbered in terms of combat personnel.


I think what we've seen in these last 6 months is the corruption of the Russian armed forces command. They learnt well from Putin's corruption, and emulated it as best they could.

Russia may have been a theoretically competent force, the systemic failing of maintenance procedures seems to have been what hobbled them. Tanks that break down. Supply trucks whose tires have rotted because they were never moved. Missiles that misfire because they were not properly maintained and stored. Thousands of hectares of rusting hulks that were counted as in combat inventory. Artillery that have fired hundreds too many rounds without being stripped and rebuilt.

Commanders took the money that would have paid for maintenance, and put it in their pockets. I bet they did the same for costs to train their staff. And that they are putting untrained poor people on the battlefield to block officers from bullets does nothing for their battle prowess.

If they committed their actually well trained and well equipped troops, there may have been a harder fight for Ukraine. But with Western backing, the Ukrainians will always win. And if the lines hold though the winter, that will be another 6 months of rotating Ukrainian troops through NATO training camps, while Russian soldiers replay the battle of Lenningrad from the German perspective with no clothes, no food, no relief, and no hope.

If anyone wants a growth industry right now, it'll be building POW camps in Ukraine, and later reconstructing cities.


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Russian POWs put to work rebuilding Ukraine will probably also be housed & fed better than they ever would be back home. The Poles, who also have more than enough history of having to put up with Russian malice, generally think that the average Russian isn't a monster, but that they're no better than cattle. There is simply no independent thought among them, not even to preserve their own lives. Their automatic reflex is to immediately defer (as an individual) to any strongman nitwit that comes along and quietly do what they're ordered even up to the point of dying in the most useless or most miserable manner possible. That's what centuries of tyranny and the most horrible homegrown brutality imaginable have done to those people, from the worst of the czars on through to Putin, turned an entire population into individuals who are less than livestock going through a slaughterhouse obediently in line for their turn to meet the bolt-gun. I'd almost feel sorry for them if their proclivity to being a pack of unthinking order-takers didn't almost always result in massive atrocities being perpetrated against someone who doesn't deserve it in a country that doesn't belong to them.

The military corruption was going on as far back as the 1970's too. In Afghanistan the soldiers would soak any excess ammunition in water or urine in an attempt to render it unusable. They were doing it because too many commanders and NCOs were selling off the surplus to local Afghans and it had a tendency to end up in the hands of the mujahadeen. They'd end up getting killed by bullets and shells with little red stars stamped on the casings simply because their leaders were more interested in getting enough cash in their hands to be able to afford a house on the coast of the Black or Caspian Seas one day.


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Thanos Thanos:
With "best" being a relative term in any discussion about the quality of any Russian equipment or weaponry. And these days they sure ain't the people anymore who used to be able to mass produce in large enough quantities to counterbalance the near-absolute inferiority of their military. I'd wager a bet that there's lots of old Cold Warriors from the Western side just amazed at how truly terrible Russia is against anyone who can fight back like the Ukrainians have. And amazed too at how putting Western weapons into someone's possession turns it into a lopsided fight where the Russian pukes are at a massive disadvantage. And those old soldiers probably realize with a certainty too now that all we had to be afraid of from the Russians was their nuclear weapons and spy apparatus. In any straight-up fight the West prevails, even when outnumbered in terms of combat personnel.

If we'd laid a royal shit-kicking on the Soviet/Russians anytime in the 1970's/80's/90's? Yeah, it would have gone nuclear eventually. But the conventional fight before the missiles started flying?


A very safe bet. I remember way back just before Russia invaded. The general consensus was the while Ukraine would put a valiant and inspiring fight, they would be overrun by superior Russian numbers and equipment. Obviously and thankfully that hasn’t happened.

No one was aware just rotten the Russian army was. It was assumed that in the time since the fall of the Soviet Union, things had changed and the bad old days of the political officers and corruption would be gone, or at least curtailed. Instead as we’ve seen, one corrupt and rotten regime was replaced with a different one, but just as pernicious.

I said it before; if Russia didn’t have nuclear weapons, NATO would have stepped in and this invasion would have been over in a week. That 40km long convoy from early in the war would have been ravaged so thoroughly by A-10’a flying under NATO controlled skies, that it would have made the Highway from Hell from Desert Storm look like Sesame Street. And all the weapons NATO had been developing for decades specifically to blunt a massed soviet invasion would have been brought to devastating effect as we see the Ukrainians doing with NATO’s last gen weapons systems.

If NATO had gotten directly involved; the Russian army wouldn’t even know what had hit them.


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If Putin is insane enough to use a nuke in Ukraine as the situation gets worse for him then the US wouldn't even have to retaliate with their own nukes to devastate the Russian forces to the point they either mutiny en masse or the Kremlin inner circle kills Putin themselves to keep things from getting worse. American and allied conventional force would be more than sufficient to destroy them nearly entirely. Right now the US could probably destroy every single surface vessel in the Russian navy, in the Black Sea as well as in the Pacific, the Baltic, and the far north, in the space of a week. And destroy the Russian air force entirely in about a month. Yeah, let's see how well that "thrust vectoring" shit from their maybe a hundred or so actually functional & flyable fighter jets that wow the crowds of gullibles at air shows does against US pilots who've been gaining experience for the last two decades straight in America's own wars. Look up the Marianas Turkey Shoot as a preview of what happens when a paper-tiger air force commanded by arrogant fanatics gets to go up against the United States when the Yanks are in their prime.

Everything would end horribly for Russia, period. If any of that lot of filth in the leadership circle have any sense they'd get rid of Putin now and simply walk away from Ukraine. Pretend it didn't happen at all and just wait for the scum of the financial sector to pressure the Western governments to open business in Russia again, which the greedy banker pigs will assuredly do the second the guns stop firing. It's the best way, really the only way, out of the mire Putin's dragged them into. Russia's lost this one, by ever measurable metric, thanks to the non-Trump part of the West saying "fuck you" to them and arming Ukraine to the teeth. Russia's only option is to accept the loss privately and go on with publicly claiming it as another "massive glorious victory for the Motherland!" the way they always do when they leave tens of thousands of their own corpses on a battlefield somewhere.


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The rot of the Russian army was palpable since the fall of the soviet Union. What Putin did was cover up the stench of rot with bling of new and next generation kit. Hypersonic missiles that would overpower US made and overpriced 'Star wars'. Super tanks like the T-14 and 5th generation fighters and anti-air defense of the coveted S-400 and last but not least the Satan.

Machines don't work without humans to run them. I have a roomba to sweep the floor but even that requires someone to press a button and change the bin when it gets full. All bling no basics is how Putin's Russia skated by on their rep and not their work. Whenever they did exert power all they did was turn cities into rubble and they then ruled over the ashes so anyone alive wouldn't question the narrative. That changed in 2014 when they tried to bullshit their way into destabilizing Ukraine. They considered it theirs anyway and no-one was going to help so a three day plan sounded like a no brainer. Half the country was on the take so they expected the whole thing to collapse.

Russia bluff was called and now they are the ones with the house with rotten foundations.


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