[Perturbed]

"This is going to be really big. We're going to have millions of people," said Juan Jose Gutierrez, director of the Latino Movement USA. "We are not concerned at all. We believe it's possible for Congress to get the message that the time to act is now." <br /> <br /> ----SEE, the most active people in democracy are illegal non-citizens.

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br /> ----SEE, the move active people in democracy are illegal non-citizens. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> True, the phenomenon of 'staying at home' and of bitching to the walls seems to be the new North American format for dissenting activism and it's going absolutely nowhere.<br /> <br /> American dissenters and activists should either take example or better still, join up with the immigrant boycott. They may learn that people power still has its place in democracies but only if they dare take the place where they will be heard. <br /> Hitting the streets in large enough numbers is still the best way to make an impact but only if the numbers are there to support your voice. <br /> <br /> Visible and outraged dissent has not totally disappeared from North America. Québec citizens still take to the streets when they are not happy. In the hundreds of thousands, university and college students did it last spring, day care workers followed suit and these days, thousands protest on the streets about Charest's intent to sell Mont Orford, a protected nature park in my region. The government backed off for the first two and it is activists' intent that it will reverse its position about Mont Orford also. Lacking democratic means to have our say in decisions which affects us all, the streets are the second best outlet to demonstrate where the populace stands.

[The Saint]

The only war these illegals are declaring is one against the average American citizen. They should be organizing and demanding better living and working conditions in their home countries. That way they get to the root of the problem and help more people aside from themselves. Demanding an amnesty does nothing to the system of internaional labour abuse practiced by trans national corporations.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] The only war these illegals are declaring is one against the average American citizen. They should be organizing and demanding better living and working conditions in their home countries. That way they get to the root of the problem and help more people aside from themselves. Demanding an amnesty does nothing to the system of internaional labour abuse practiced by trans national corporations.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Of course that makes sense, as they don't really care about their own people--only conquering others and mooching off the American middle-class.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= michou] [QUOTE BY= Perturbed] <br /> ----SEE, the move active people in democracy are illegal non-citizens. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> True, the phenomenon of 'staying at home' and of bitching to the walls seems to be the new North American format for dissenting activism and it's going absolutely nowhere.<br /> <br /> American dissenters and activists should either take example or better still, join up with the immigrant boycott. They may learn that people power still has its place in democracies but only if they dare take the place where they will be heard. <br /> Hitting the streets in large enough numbers is still the best way to make an impact but only if the numbers are there to support your voice. <br /> <br /> Visible and outraged dissent has not totally disappeared from North America. Québec citizens still take to the streets when they are not happy. In the hundreds of thousands, university and college students did it last spring, day care workers followed suit and these days, thousands protest on the streets about Charest's intent to sell Mont Orford, a protected nature park in my region. The government backed off for the first two and it is activists' intent that it will reverse its position about Mont Orford also. Lacking democratic means to have our say in decisions which affects us all, the streets are the second best outlet to demonstrate where the populace stands. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> I admire the French in Canada (and I assume many anglophones) who did what they did. Charest is a pig. In Ontario, our McGuinty government sold an educational and research park in central Ontario and opposition was fairly large but not in the streets--mostly letter writing.<br /> <br /> While I do like the civil nature of English Canadians, and the English in Britain, and to a lesser extent in rebellious America, I admire how the French in Quebec and in France are not afraif to mix it up.....remember how the French in France got the changes to the job laws overturned or scrapped after rioting for WEEKS on end--good on them. <br /> <br /> I do wish people in the ROC showed as much passion as the French, but I chalk up the passion of the French to the fact that they are a smaller group that was threatened, some think still is--in the era of globalism probably. I think the cultural conservatism of the French in Quebec was more about necessity that anything, but they certainly seem to be extroverts who don't mind change politcally as much. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br />

[Brent Swain]

Mexican friends pointed out to me that 1/2 of mMexico was stolen at gunpoint by the US. 1/3rd of the total land area of the US is land stolen at gunpoint from the Mexicans. They said " whatever you do in mexico, don't be mistaken for a yank.Payback time. More power to them<br /> Brent

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Brent Swain] Mexican friends pointed out to me that 1/2 of mMexico was stolen at gunpoint by the US. 1/3rd of the total land area of the US is land stolen at gunpoint from the Mexicans. They said " whatever you do in mexico, don't be mistaken for a yank.Payback time. More power to them<br /> Brent[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> The only original claim the Mexicans have to the U.S. is by a group of people called the "conquistadors". The Mexican conquistadors were just as ruthless as were the Americans, and the conquistadors intended to take parts of America north of the southers states. Both sides were violent.<br /> <br />