[samuel]

I agree gaulois. Those people at Rabble proclaim themselves "progressive", but in fact they are sectarian. Here is the <a href="http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=35&t=001374">thread</a> where the moderator announces that I'm banned. The subject dealt with stifling debate about people who hold views on the traditional definition of marriage. If you notice, the moderator goes on to say:<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The moderators have already informed the board that <b>opposition to equal marriage on babble will be considered homophobic and that people will be booted off if they either post reasons why there shouldn't be equal marriage</b>, or chastise babble or its members for not entertaining arguments from phobes about why there shouldn't be equal marriage.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> There is absolutely no difference between that statement and a person who's stance against SSM is bigoted in nature. They're not progressives, they're sectarians.<br /> <br /> I got a good laugh out of Calumny's Duceppe resignation satire and hope he comes up with more of the same

[michou]

In response to gaulois' inquiry about the openness of Politiquébec, I would definitely say it is the most open minded 'Canadian' forum I've yet come across. Even though the level of discussions there can and often is IMO of first level quality, at least it can be said that the entire political spectrum is represented and all posters have free range and liberty to state their opinions without being tagged as being 'bad, 'average' or 'good' or having fellow posters act like offended political virgins crying foul when your style does not agree with them. I have had a few run-ins with the site's owner conservative views myself but never has he shown interest in banning anyone because of their political views or those who would not agree with him. That is what makes the beauty of Politiquébec, too many smilies and all. Maybe it is also a true reflection of Québec's political arena, in which Québécers in general seem to tolerate dissension and a wider diversity of opinions without taking everything to the letter, too personally and most of all, having the capability of finding humor in all of it. <br /> <br /> St-Jude...priez pour nous !

[Jesse]

[QUOTE BY= michou] it can be said that the entire political spectrum is represented and all posters have free range and liberty to state their opinions without being tagged as being 'bad, 'average' or 'good'[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> You'll recall that vive never used to have the voting system in place, it was brought in to keep discussion at a reasonable quality. I think that the quality of discussion does go down as a site gets bigger; you will always find the best quality on the smallest sites. And I have no problem with people visiting other sites for good discussion about particular things; vive has a narrow scope, and that will often change the nature of the discussion. With luck, the work of our moderators/editors/voters helps keep things at a reasonable level here, so you don't have to go elsewhere exclusively.

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= jesse] vive has a narrow scope, and that will often change the nature of the discussion. [/QUOTE]<br /> So it has and so it does and that is very ok. <br /> Hey, you have tolerated me for a long time now haven't you and that is no mere feat. Or as one of my international net friend recently dubbed me: michou, this strange bristling Québécoise beauty... So consider yourselves lucky. LOL !!! <br /> <br /> The difference with Politiquébec's is that their own statement of principle is to discuss politics in all its forms. As it does and allows it to be so, self-censorship and ratings are practically inexistent.

[Calumny]

[QUOTE]it would also be suicide for the survival of French communities in North America should Québécers stop the fight for their independence. In truth,[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Wish I had some good reasons to tell you why you're wrong however, given the past thirty years in Canada, I just can't come up with any.<br /> <br /> As I've mentioned before, had I been a Francophone Quebecois, I probably would have arrived at the same conclusion.<br /> <br /> I think my love for Canada can best be explained as being akin to the love one holds for an idiot parent. I mean, your parent may be the biggest jerk in the world however, they're still your parent and you're more or less stuck loving them regardless of their stupidity.<br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[gaulois]

What about political corectness then?

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois] What about political corectness then?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Just a subtle method of someone pushing their values on you.<br />

[Calumny]

[QUOTE]What about political corectness then?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Political what?<br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/twisted.gif' alt='Twisted Evil'>

[Guest]

Rabble.ca is nothing more than taking a page out of the NAZI and COMMUNIST party. This site also 'locks' threads the moment they (moderators) don't like how things are going.<br /> <br /> Same shit, different day. If you push any 'progressive' cause enough, they *ALL* will resort towards oppression and CENSORSHIP.<br /> <br /> Only a free-market/Libertarian such as myself is opposed to *ALL TYPES* of CENSORING PUBLIC DISCOURSE.<br /> <br /> Now how about them apples.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Samuel] I agree gaulois. Those people at Rabble proclaim themselves "progressive", but in fact they are sectarian. Here is the <a href="http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=35&t=001374">thread</a> where the moderator announces that I'm banned. The subject dealt with stifling debate about people who hold views on the traditional definition of marriage. If you notice, the moderator goes on to say:<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]The moderators have already informed the board that <b>opposition to equal marriage on babble will be considered homophobic and that people will be booted off if they either post reasons why there shouldn't be equal marriage</b>, or chastise babble or its members for not entertaining arguments from phobes about why there shouldn't be equal marriage.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> There is absolutely no difference between that statement and a person who's stance against SSM is bigoted in nature. They're not progressives, they're sectarians.<br /> <br /> I got a good laugh out of Calumny's Duceppe resignation satire and hope he comes up with more of the same [/QUOTE]

[Guest]

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= gaulois] What about political corectness then?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Just a subtle method of someone pushing their values on you.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> You're in no position to flap gums buddy. You're just as guilty as the rest (locking threads).<br /> <br />

[Jesse]

Total number of locked topics in the vive forums: 26.<br /> Total number of topics in the vive forums: 1371.<br /> <br /> Most of those locked topics are because things degenerated into shouting matches or were entirely off-topic. There are far more than 26 topics where free-market or libertarian viewpoints are being expressed. You can call us censors all you like, but the numbers speak for themselves.