[Jesse]

I do not think that calling people coucou is a good way to start a dialog. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Aldebaran] Why Anglo Canada doesn't want to let go Québec???<br /> <br /> It would be interesting to hear the reasons of the Anglo-Saxons and please don't say sucht thing as: Because we love Québec, or because Québec will fall in poverty or stuff like that. Please provide logical reason supported by facts. You anglos always says that you are people who always solves issues through the dialog so be it. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I have voiced my arguments already in other threads. Please re-read the other threads in the separation forum. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> And one more question if Québec becames independant will New Brunswick and Newfoundland and Labrador annexed to Québec? Because if Québec becames independant they will have no communication with the rest of Canada.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's silly; of course they would still have communication with Canada. Alaska and Hawaii are not part of the mainland USA, but they are still states. There is no reason that other provinces could not remain part of canada after quebec separation. <br /> <br /> Unless those provinces also decided (on their own!) to separate from canada, they would remain part of canada. Even if they did go for independence, I imagine newfoundland would want to be its own country again, and would decline joining quebec. One proposed solution is to create a canadian 'corridor' through quebec to those provinces. Another, better solution is the partitioning of quebec, where not all of quebec separates. That would likely mean northern quebec would remain with canada, leaving such a corridor naturally.<br /> <br />

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= Aldebaran]<br /> And one more question if Québec becames independant will New Brunswick and Newfoundland and Labrador annexed to Québec? Because if Québec becames independant they will have no communication with the rest of Canada.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> As Jesse pointed out already, this topic has already been discussed to death in the forumns. And calling me a cuckoo is not a polite way to start a conversation.<br /> <br /> http://www.vivelecanada.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=33&showtopic=10542<br /> <br /> I believe many seperatists intend to annex Labrador when the succeed from confederation. And before seperatists reply to refute my claims, remember: right now, I have nothing better to do all day that research this stuff, so I can quote seperatists saying that exact thing.<br />

[Marcarc]

Here are some quick reasons:<br /> <br /> 1. Natives are currently canadian citizens and have treaty rights which are currently under negotiation. A sovereign Quebec can obviously alter any such treaties accordingly. This creates another problem in that Canadian may not legally be able to cede such jurisdictional land to Quebec since natives have some rights to it. (this isn't a defense of Canada's deplorable treatment of natives).<br /> <br /> 2. Trade could become a serious problem. While people may say lovely nice things about how 'equitable' everything will be, the fact is that during trade disputes Quebec could put duties on all goods going to and coming from the east coast thus disrupting trade.<br /> <br /> 3. Future problems can also exist as no doubt Quebec would build up its own military, which it currently doesn't have. We have no way of knowing what kinds of disputes may arise in the future, so obviously having two rival military's may not be a good thing. We MAY exist equitably as we do with the states, but there's no guarantee of that.<br /> <br /> 4. Complete separation would make for a very bad environment for investment. Currency speculators have wiped out other developed and developing countries before and have no real allegiance to our political ideals. Again, perhaps this wouldn't be the case, but who knows?<br /> <br /> 5. Many people have relatives and family in Quebec, likewise many NGO's operate on a national level and this would increase their costs. <br /> <br /> 6. Legal challenges could tie up the whole government in negotiations for years, and for our 'one issue' media this would mean years of not dealing with canadian issues unless they coincide with Quebec's.<br /> <br /> <br /> and those are just off the top of my head..

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= jesse] I do not think that calling people coucou is a good way to start a dialog. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb ]And calling me a cuckoo is not a polite way to start a conversation.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> ROTFLMAO !!! <br /> <br /> "Coucou" is not an insult...it is used in such instances such as : "Coucou ! Il y a quelqu'un ?". A rough translation would go like this : "Peek-a-boo ! Anybody home ?" <br /> <br /> Too funny.

[Jesse]

[QUOTE]<br /> "Coucou" is not an insult...it is used in such instances such as : "Coucou ! Il y a quelqu'un ?". A rough translation would go like this : "Peek-a-boo ! Anybody home ?" <br /> <br /> Too funny. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> He only used a single word, whick translates as 'cuckoo'. When dealing with language barriers, it's good to not use words that can be so easily misinterpreted, especially not without adding the necessary context. If he meant it in an "is anybody there" way, he probably should have said that.

[fleur-de-lys]

Ya un petit chat qui vient de se faire tuer. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'>

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= fleur-de-lys] Ya un petit chat qui vient de se faire tuer. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I don't think so fleur-de-lys. I just think someone is acting like a sourpuss. <br /> <br /> Aaaah... come on jesse. Gimme a break and give us a smile instead. <br /> Haven't you ever made a fool of yourself speaking another language and laughed with the rest of them ? <br /> <br /> <br /> Coucou ! <br /> <br /> (Another translation : It's me !)<br /> <br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'>

[Aldebaran]

Well I didn't want to be rude by using the word "coucou", in Spanish we use "coucou" as well but we write it a little bit different we say: "cucu" or "cucú". If I had wanted to be rude I would had used the words: "Tabernak" in Quebecoise French or "Chigadera" in Mexican Spanish in the title, but I repeat I never wanted to be rude.

[sebastien]

[QUOTE BY= jesse] I do not think that calling people coucou is a good way to start a dialog. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Aldebaran] Why Anglo Canada doesn't want to let go Québec???<br /> <br /> It would be interesting to hear the reasons of the Anglo-Saxons and please don't say sucht thing as: Because we love Québec, or because Québec will fall in poverty or stuff like that. Please provide logical reason supported by facts. You anglos always says that you are people who always solves issues through the dialog so be it. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I have voiced my arguments already in other threads. Please re-read the other threads in the separation forum. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> And one more question if Québec becames independant will New Brunswick and Newfoundland and Labrador annexed to Québec? Because if Québec becames independant they will have no communication with the rest of Canada.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's silly; of course they would still have communication with Canada. Alaska and Hawaii are not part of the mainland USA, but they are still states. There is no reason that other provinces could not remain part of canada after quebec separation. <br /> <br /> Unless those provinces also decided (on their own!) to separate from canada, they would remain part of canada. Even if they did go for independence, I imagine newfoundland would want to be its own country again, and would decline joining quebec. One proposed solution is to create a canadian 'corridor' through quebec to those provinces. Another, better solution is the partitioning of quebec, where not all of quebec separates. That would likely mean northern quebec would remain with canada, leaving such a corridor naturally.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Salut Aldebaran<br /> <br /> Canadian corridor ???<br /> Well just come in Québec and try to create it my friend ? Come tell the people of Montérégie, Beauce, Chaudières-Appalaches, Gaspésie...<br /> Come and tell them that they will be part of a "canadian corridor" !!!<br /> Pffff... silly are you !<br /> <br /> Labrador was taken from Québec territory in 1927 without its consent !!!!! Just try to do a thing like that once again.<br /> <br /> That's why the PQ invited some international observers at its last congress this week-end... to let them know what the Canadians are planing to do. Plan B, C, D... There was some Americans in that PQ congress do you know that ?<br /> <br /> Would you look at Québec as a simple territory ??????? Hmmm... we are a country without a name yet. Look out in the upcoming months and years ! Sovereignty will be explained and will counterbalance that false canadian propaganda that cost millions for all canadians citizens. Prepare your canadian army to invade Montréal. That would easy things out !<br /> <br /> Tu vois l'hypocrisie de ces CAnadians n'est-ce pas Aldebaran ?

[sebastien]

[QUOTE BY= jesse] I do not think that calling people coucou is a good way to start a dialog. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE BY= Aldebaran] Why Anglo Canada doesn't want to let go Québec???<br /> <br /> It would be interesting to hear the reasons of the Anglo-Saxons and please don't say sucht thing as: Because we love Québec, or because Québec will fall in poverty or stuff like that. Please provide logical reason supported by facts. You anglos always says that you are people who always solves issues through the dialog so be it. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I have voiced my arguments already in other threads. Please re-read the other threads in the separation forum. <br /> <br /> [QUOTE]<br /> And one more question if Québec becames independant will New Brunswick and Newfoundland and Labrador annexed to Québec? Because if Québec becames independant they will have no communication with the rest of Canada.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> That's silly; of course they would still have communication with Canada. Alaska and Hawaii are not part of the mainland USA, but they are still states. There is no reason that other provinces could not remain part of canada after quebec separation. <br /> <br /> Unless those provinces also decided (on their own!) to separate from canada, they would remain part of canada. Even if they did go for independence, I imagine newfoundland would want to be its own country again, and would decline joining quebec. One proposed solution is to create a canadian 'corridor' through quebec to those provinces. Another, better solution is the partitioning of quebec, where not all of quebec separates. That would likely mean northern quebec would remain with canada, leaving such a corridor naturally.<br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Tell me : you really care that much for those poor Québécois federalists left out in sovereign Québec !!! Québec society is a peaceful french et métissé nation. America is big. Québec territory is cold. Why don't you propose them to emigrate in Ontario or elsewhere if they are that much annoyed by Québec sovereignty or Québec culture.<br /> <br /> Come on Québécois federalists stay with us ! Don't let those *** brainwash you !

[Jesse]

[QUOTE BY= sebastien]<br /> Tell me : you really care that much for those poor Québécois federalists left out in sovereign Québec !!! Québec society is a peaceful french et métissé nation. America is big. Québec territory is cold. Why don't you propose them to emigrate in Ontario or elsewhere if they are that much annoyed by Québec sovereignty or Québec culture.<br /> <br /> Come on Québécois federalists stay with us ! Don't let those *** brainwash you ![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Did you even *read* what I wrote? Or are you merely here to repeat the same mindless slogans over and over?

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= jesse] <br /> Did you even *read* what I wrote? Or are you merely here to repeat the same mindless slogans over and over?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> You're new here! Welcome to Vive!<br /> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/lol.gif' alt='Laughing Out Loud'>

[Brother Jonathan]

Aldebaran,<br /> <br /> perhaps some anglophone Canadians fear that an independent Québec would be the first step of an American (norteamericano) plan of <i>divide et impera</i>?<br /> <br /> As Jesse mentioned, nations need not be physically contiguous. Alaska (as well as the Northwest Angle of Minnesota, and Point Roberts, Washington) remains a part of the USA; Kaliningrad remains part of Russia; Cabinda part of Angola; &c.<br /> <br /> Creation of a “Canadian corridor” doesn’t seem practicable; if the corridor sliced Québec in two, then wouldn’t Québec want a corridor across the corridor to remain contiguous? It brings to mind the corridor problems between Germany and Poland in the 1930s.<br /> <br /> Partition seems more likely than corridor creation; one possibility is <a href="http://www.irpp.org/po/archive/mar99/janda.pdf">the “Jura solution”</a> (a PDF document). I don’t know whether that would be such a sufficiently unpleasant compromise for both sides as to make it eventually acceptable.<br /> <br /> I don’t think that trade would become a serious problem; if there were a Québec transit duty, goods would just be rerouted through New York/Vermont/Maine.<br /> <br /> [QUOTE by michou]</b> Haven’t you ever made a fool of yourself speaking another language and laughed with the rest of them ?<b>[/QUOTE]<br /> Are you kidding? I make a fool of myself speaking <i>this</i> language!<br /> <br /> Dr Caleb, beware al Bert bin Jeemhensin — he’s even more dangerous than he looks.

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= Brother Jonathan] <br /> Dr Caleb, beware al Bert bin Jeemhensin — he’s even more dangerous than he looks.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Absolutely! Heavily misunderestimated.<br /> <br /> http://come.to/evilbert<br /> <br /> http://www.snopes.com/rumors/bert.htm<br /> <br />

[sebastien]

[QUOTE BY= jesse] [QUOTE BY= sebastien]<br /> Tell me : you really care that much for those poor Québécois federalists left out in sovereign Québec !!! Québec society is a peaceful french et métissé nation. America is big. Québec territory is cold. Why don't you propose them to emigrate in Ontario or elsewhere if they are that much annoyed by Québec sovereignty or Québec culture.<br /> <br /> Come on Québécois federalists stay with us ! Don't let those *** brainwash you ![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Did you even *read* what I wrote? Or are you merely here to repeat the same mindless slogans over and over?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> I read enough thanks...<br /> The only solution to this impossible country is that ROC gives Québec its sovereignty and settle a new deal from country to country...<br /> <br /> Meanwhile, Québec will continue to whine. Sorry ! Like this silly Sebastien... Sorry Jesse !