[Perturbed]

There's something really sick about self-hatred. <br /> <br /> by Paul Fromm <br /> Director, Canada First Immigration Reform Committee <br /> <br /> JUST IMAGINE an official report from some university in which a professor decries the "culture of Jewishness in the media." Well, the author of the report would quickly be pilloried, politicians would go beet-faced denouncing him and demanding his firing, if not public disemboweling. If we posted his report on the Internet, self-appointed censors like Richard "20 human rights complaints and counting" Warman would file complaint number 21 alleging that our posting was "likely" to expose one of this country's privileged minorities "to hatred or contempt." <br /> <br /> However, it's more than okay to say that an institution is too White. An institution, I might add, founded, built up, endowed and funded by many of the leading founder/settler people of this country who were -- dare we say, and say proudly? -- White. (ILLUSTRATION: "Joy Mighty" speaks.)<br /> <br /> According to Louise Brown of the Toronto Star: 'Queen's University, one of Canada's most academically elite schools, admits it has allowed a "culture of whiteness" to take root that fails to welcome visible minority students and professors. And the university vows to be more aggressive in shedding its reputation as a tony enclave of white privilege, says vice-principal Patrick Deane. Queen's is responding to a critical report prompted by the resignation of six non-white professors several years ago -- as well as recent incidents of white students going out to pubs in controversial "blackface" makeup -- that suggest the Kingston school has done little to try to reflect the diversity of Canada. …' <br /> <br /> The report from the "diversity"-gaga Star continues: 'The university's location in a relatively white part of Ontario, hours from the immigrant settlement hub of Toronto, may account for some of the racial sameness, said Deane in an interview yesterday. Too, because most students at Queen's must pay for accommodation -- few come from Kingston -- the university can seem expensive for students on a tight budget, despite the financial aid available. So, Deane said the university is considering a number of committee recommendations, from setting loose goals for recruiting more visible minority professors and students, to targeting scholarships and grants to students of colour and setting up a resource centre on campus for visible minorities.' <br /> <br /> Well, Kingston is in an overwhelmingly White part of Ontario -- over 95% so. Note the outright racist anti-White discrimination planned, with special scholarships and grants to non-Whites. Would that mean a Chinese student living in Canada with a millionaire father would get a scholarship -- while some bright but poor working-class White would not? You bet! <br /> <br /> There's something really sick about self-hatred. <br /> <br /> The Star continues: 'The committee proposed changes from a more inclusive curriculum to more campus supports, after examining a 2004 report on the lack of diversity at Queen's written by York University professor Frances Henry, an anti-racism expert.' What's a "more inclusive curriculum"? More made-up Black History? A course in sharia law? <br /> <br /> Having Frances Henry write this report is like having a wino write a report on the advisability of Prohibition. Henry has a serious axe to grind. She's an expert, for example, on Jamaicans in Canada and how they've suffered (apparently not enough to head back to Jamaica). <br /> <br /> The Canadian Human Rights Commission used her as an "expert" witness on "racism" for almost a generation. However, two gutsy young fellows, James Richardson and Alexan Kulbashian gave her such a mauling -- both as to her credentials and her expertise -- when she testified at their tribunal that we doubt we'll be seeing her in that role again. Indeed, in his March 10, 2006 decision, one-man Tribunal Athanasios Hadjis concluded of Frances Henry: "Moreover, in the course of her cross-examination, she acknowledged that her studies were in the areas of racism and how it manifests itself, not specifically in the realm of hate propaganda at issue in the present case. Dr. Henry's evidence has therefore had no bearing on my final disposition of this case." (para. 63-64) <br /> <br /> Joy Mighty [Yes, that is her actual name. -- Ed.], a Black professor, does some bitching and moaning for the Star article about the lack of "diversity" at Queen's. Yet, there can't be too much discrimination if she got herself hired. <br /> <br /> "'It can be very frustrating being part of an ethnic minority on campus -- you feel as though you're absolutely invisible,' said black student Rachel LaTouche, president of the African-Caribbean Students' Association, which represents 50 to 60 students." Bummer! That's the downside of being a minority. Perhaps she'd feel more comfortable at a university in Ghana, Gabon, or the Caribbean where she'd be in the majority. <br /> <br /> Say, if "diversity" is such a great value, why don't they practice it at, say, the universities in Karachi, Shanghai, or Kabul (if there is even one there)? Would there be special programmes to attract White North Americans, special scholarships, re-writing the curriculum to reflect our history and values, encouragement for us to "be ourselves" even if we don't fit in? I didn't think so. <br /> <br /> Paul Fromm <br /> Director <br />

[The Saint]

Thanks for this contribution Perturbed. I came across this piece of race-baiting journalism on Sat. that the Toronto Star has developed a particular penchant for. This reminded me of the time the Star ran a front page article about the lack of diversity on the Toronto Blue Jays for crying out loud. Can you believe the gall of these people!? Their beef was that Blue Jays should reflect the diversity of the city yet in the same article they conceded that the ball club had never been so fraternal in many years. Perhaps a lesson can be drawn here.<br /> <br /> Remove white from the Star article and replace it with any other race of people and you have a piece on a multicultural or immigrant success story. I am truly offended by this and am considering writing the Star ombudsman. Perhaps others may want to do likewise.<br /> <br /> When I was at U of T I ventured to the offices of the Varsity (a student run newspaper) to inquire about writing a commentary for the paper. While I was looking around the office I came across one desk where its absent occupant had pinned a clipped newspaper article to the wall. The article chastised the then U of T president Robert Birgenau (spelling?) about a comment he made about the overwhelming diversity (and I do mean overwhelming) at U of T. He said, and I paraphrase, that many white students over look U of T and go to Queens because they are put off by the school's disproportionate ethnic make up. He had to explain himself of course but essentially it is wrong for whites to do what ethnic minorities do. If South Asians like to gather in Brampton and Rexdale then that's Okay. If the Chinese like to cluster in Markham, Richmond Hill ("Richman Hill"), and around Spadina and College then that’s Okay. If the Jews like to cluster in groups in Thornhill then that’s Okay. It is because they are seeking to establish communities where the people and culture are familiar. When Canadians behave the same way we are condemned as racists. I am getting tired of seeing anything that is Canadian or has the appearance of being uniquely Canadian being attacked from any and every minority group that feels that they are being excluded. I submitted an <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060420203237757#comments">article</a> to Vive that the administrators posted about a "grass roots" group in B.C. trying to get official language status for Punjabi (it hasn’t generated a lot of interest because it's not about how evil America is or how dumb Bush is so read it while you can). Now our language is not sufficient for them. I do not know why Canadians allow these insults to continue. Oh, I know why. It is because Canadians have no say over their immigration system nor the policy of cultural entitlement that multiculturalism bestows upon introduces minority cultures. Scores will not be settled until Canadians are rendered as just another minority group in their cities, businesses, schools, government, and country in this dangerous game of "ethnic catch up."<br /> <br /> I always considered it extreme to say that Canadians are allowing themselves to be an extinct species. Now that I think about it I guess that is the goal for some. You can't take the lands of the original inhabitants unless you remove them first. The European powers knew this and it looks like the offspring of the subjugated third world peoples are applying what they learned from them here in Canada. But I guess Canadians don't care. Just keep gas prices low. That's all they care about.<br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] Thanks for this contribution Perturbed. I came across this piece of race-baiting journalism on Sat. that the Toronto Star has developed a particular penchant for. This reminded me of the time the Star ran a front page article about the lack of diversity on the Toronto Blue Jays for crying out loud. Can you believe the gall of these people!? Their beef was that Blue Jays should reflect the diversity of the city yet in the same article they conceded that the ball club had never been so fraternal in many years. Perhaps a lesson can be drawn here.<br /> <br /> Remove white from the Star article and replace it with any other race of people and you have a piece on a multicultural or immigrant success story. I am truly offended by this and am considering writing the Star ombudsman. Perhaps others may want to do likewise.<br /> <br /> When I was at U of T I ventured to the offices of the Varsity (a student run newspaper) to inquire about writing a commentary for the paper. While I was looking around the office I came across one desk where its absent occupant had pinned a clipped newspaper article to the wall. The article chastised the then U of T president Robert Birgenau (spelling?) about a comment he made about the overwhelming diversity (and I do mean overwhelming) at U of T. He said, and I paraphrase, that many white students over look U of T and go to Queens because they are put off by the school's disproportionate ethnic make up. He had to explain himself of course but essentially it is wrong for whites to do what ethnic minorities do. If South Asians like to gather in Brampton and Rexdale then that's Okay. If the Chinese like to cluster in Markham, Richmond Hill ("Richman Hill"), and around Spadina and College then that’s Okay. If the Jews like to cluster in groups in Thornhill then that’s Okay. It is because they are seeking to establish communities where the people and culture are familiar. When Canadians behave the same way we are condemned as racists. I am getting tired of seeing anything that is Canadian or has the appearance of being uniquely Canadian being attacked from any and every minority group that feels that they are being excluded. I submitted an <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20060420203237757#comments">article</a> to Vive that the administrators posted about a "grass roots" group in B.C. trying to get official language status for Punjabi (it hasn’t generated a lot of interest because it's not about how evil America is or how dumb Bush is so read it while you can). Now our language is not sufficient for them. I do not know why Canadians allow these insults to continue. Oh, I know why. It is because Canadians have no say over their immigration system nor the policy of cultural entitlement that multiculturalism bestows upon introduces minority cultures. Scores will not be settled until Canadians are rendered as just another minority group in their cities, businesses, schools, government, and country in this dangerous game of "ethnic catch up."<br /> <br /> I always considered it extreme to say that Canadians are allowing themselves to be an extinct species. Now that I think about it I guess that is the goal for some. You can't take the lands of the original inhabitants unless you remove them first. The European powers knew this and it looks like the offspring of the subjugated third world peoples are applying what they learned from them here in Canada. But I guess Canadians don't care. Just keep gas prices low. That's all they care about.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I do remember the "white jays" article and thank you for the reply. I had no idea you went to U of T, I assume you are younger than I thought you were.<br /> <br /> I too have noticed U of T's ultra level of "diversity". I have had more than one person tell me that they are not considering the school specifically for the reason that "everybody is Asian". You may be interested to know that I was serfing the CBC archives web site and Chinese foreign students were creating a controversy even in the early 1970s!! There were stories about it due to their large number. This has not changed one bit since then.<br /> <br /> Regarding U of T, it is interesting you menioned Birgenau (meaning you went there in the last few years). Funny how all of this anecdotal stuff does not lead to any greater mass opposition. I have been seeing political correctness gradually and sometimes rapidly recede but the attitude of most people still makes me think often, are Canadians really worth fighting for? This nation fought in world wars, and now it really makes you wonder how that ever happened. Until a while ago, our betters who ruled us were likely content to simply exploit western nations like Canada economically, but now it appears that annihilating our culture and race completely is official government policy, and only a few really know what it actually happening and are to brainwashed or in denial to see it.<br /> <br /> Despite the Christian influence in Canada, I'm not sure we should ever forgive those who control the western world for what they have done to us, but if we have no will to resist, do we deserve our fate? Canadians right now care more about taxes, income, sex or going shopping for stuff than anything else....oh yeah, distraction via various electronic devices.<br /> <br /> Most Canadians are so brainwashed that they may not realize they have a culture of their own until it is too late. This said, even the Globe and Mail is featuring huge criticisms of multiculturalism, and even had a percentage ranking based on race. As America is the new Rome, one might look to them for leadership, but they are so controlled that, you know....<br /> <br /> Canadians are already just another ethnic group in many Toronto neighbourhoods. It is a miracle we still have a chance against unbelievable elitist economic and organizational might. The internet could save us if people ever find out en masse what our government has done to us--add appointing a Haitian governor general who keeps kicking us in the groin.<br /> <br /> Whatever happens it will be interesting. <br /> <br /> <br />

[The Saint]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] I have had more than one person tell me that they are not considering the school specifically for the reason that "everybody is Asian". You may be interested to know that I was serfing the CBC archives web site and Chinese foreign students were creating a controversy even in the early 1970s!![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Speaking of anecdotes and "everybody is Asian" here is another one from the diversity files at U of T and I can assure you it is all true. Three young Brazilian women were in the same campus tour group as myself. They were not U of T students but they were learning English and they were in Toronto as part of an English immersion experience. Our tour guide took us all over the school grounds and at the end of the tour he asked them what they thought of the school. They had no real complaints aside from one. One of them, in her struggled English, said that "They are too many Japanese." Of course she meant Chinese but I guess she hadn't been in the city long enough to have realized that at the time. Nevertheless her sentiments were understood by our tour guide who I noticed felt at little uneasy with her comment (he was a white guy if you want to know). He probably did not know what to say to her so he didnt because we in Canada do not state the obvious. We just ignore things and pretend it doesn't exist and hope it goes away or at least works out for the best. The Brazillian woman might as well have said Indians (NRIs) as well because these two ethnic groups make up about half the student body at U of T.<br /> <br /> If you are familiar with U of T then you will know where Innis College is located. It was very common for me to find racist remarks directed at the Chinses scribbled on the walls in the men's washroom. When you are denied a voice to express your concerns over your displacement by an influx of foreigners let alone the oppotunity to influence a course of action to address these concerns then this is one of the few ways individuals have to express themselves. Unfortunatley it is directed at the wrong people. Our anger should be directed at those parasites working in the people traffiking industry and immigration lobby (immigration lawyers, consultants, urban MPs and MPPs, building developers who destroy farmland and green spaces to accomodate these people) and not the immigrants themselves. Being denied access to these people as well as the news media Canadians will increasingly express themselves by attacking immigrants. This will spurn more divesity programs, multicultulism propaganda, more Hate Crime laws, all superficial solutions that do not address the root problems or concerns of Canadians. This will be the legacy of Trudeauesqe multiculturalism: an increasingly racist and socially divided nation based on ethnic lines competing for resources and wealth.<br /> <br /> It is not surprising that it took a Brazillian woman to tell a Canadian what is happening to his country but sometimes the best observations are made from the outside. Also, she was not subject to Canadian style multicultural propaganda so she saw nothing wrong with what she said and neither do I. Of coures others will differ. Afterall it is not that there are too many Chinese at U of T. It is that there were too may whites at U of T and that had to be corrected. The Star article on Queen's articulates this point quite well and that is the real problem with Canada as a whole: there are too many white people here. If the Brazilian woman cannot grasp that fact then she will never know what it means to be Canadian.<br /> <br /> BTW. I am older than you might think (I'm a late bloomer so to speak).

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= The Saint] [QUOTE BY= Perturbed] I have had more than one person tell me that they are not considering the school specifically for the reason that "everybody is Asian". You may be interested to know that I was serfing the CBC archives web site and Chinese foreign students were creating a controversy even in the early 1970s!![/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Speaking of anecdotes and "everybody is Asian" here is another one from the diversity files at U of T and I can assure you it is all true. Three young Brazilian women were in the same campus tour group as myself. They were not U of T students but they were learning English and they were in Toronto as part of an English immersion experience. Our tour guide took us all over the school grounds and at the end of the tour he asked them what they thought of the school. They had no real complaints aside from one. One of them, in her struggled English, said that "They are too many Japanese." Of course she meant Chinese but I guess she hadn't been in the city long enough to have realized that at the time. Nevertheless her sentiments were understood by our tour guide who I noticed felt at little uneasy with her comment (he was a white guy if you want to know). He probably did not know what to say to her so he didnt because we in Canada do not state the obvious. We just ignore things and pretend it doesn't exist and hope it goes away or at least works out for the best. The Brazillian woman might as well have said Indians (NRIs) as well because these two ethnic groups make up about half the student body at U of T.<br /> <br /> If you are familiar with U of T then you will know where Innis College is located. It was very common for me to find racist remarks directed at the Chinses scribbled on the walls in the men's washroom. When you are denied a voice to express your concerns over your displacement by an influx of foreigners let alone the oppotunity to influence a course of action to address these concerns then this is one of the few ways individuals have to express themselves. Unfortunatley it is directed at the wrong people. Our anger should be directed at those parasites working in the people traffiking industry and immigration lobby (immigration lawyers, consultants, urban MPs and MPPs, building developers who destroy farmland and green spaces to accomodate these people) and not the immigrants themselves. Being denied access to these people as well as the news media Canadians will increasingly express themselves by attacking immigrants. This will spurn more divesity programs, multicultulism propaganda, more Hate Crime laws, all superficial solutions that do not address the root problems or concerns of Canadians. This will be the legacy of Trudeauesqe multiculturalism: an increasingly racist and socially divided nation based on ethnic lines competing for resources and wealth.<br /> <br /> It is not surprising that it took a Brazillian woman to tell a Canadian what is happening to his country but sometimes the best observations are made from the outside. Also, she was not subject to Canadian style multicultural propaganda so she saw nothing wrong with what she said and neither do I. Of coures others will differ. Afterall it is not that there are too many Chinese at U of T. It is that there were too may whites at U of T and that had to be corrected. The Star article on Queen's articulates this point quite well and that is the real problem with Canada as a whole: there are too many white people here. If the Brazilian woman cannot grasp that fact then she will never know what it means to be Canadian.<br /> <br /> BTW. I am older than you might think (I'm a late bloomer so to speak).[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Interesting post. You are right, when liberal people speak of solving the "race problem" or "problem of racism", what they really mean is the white problem. They want to eliminate white racism, while empowering racism in Asians and Africans to take our place.<br /> <br /> Of course, white racism is a natural instinct that any race of people or any living organism requires to survive and prosper by favouring their own, hence first white people must be weakened via propaganda. Not just anti racist (anti-white) propaganda, but also feminism, women's rights, gay rights, minority rights and other drivel that weakens not just racial but cultural and gender consciousness as well.<br /> <br /> ** A hilarious anecdote I heard: a white English Canadian couple was talking in Vancouver to two Japanese business people from Tokyo. After the Japanese tourists noted how many Chinese people there were in Vancouver, they asked: "Do any CANADIANS live in Vancouver?" (They believed Canadians were white autmatically, not questions asked.)<br /> <br /> Finally, regarding who to blame, I do think you are right to an extent, but you are still blaming the small fish. It is powerful internationalist politicians, bankers and other elites who allowed this to happen, conspiracy or not. Some things are based on the public mood, but globalism is not natural.

[sthompson]

I'm really disappointed to see racist posts of this nature appearing on Vive. And yes, they are racist.<br /> <br /> You'll note that we have a policy that we ask all Vive members to adhere to, which is available in the FAQ: <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/multifaq/index.php?topic=2&qt_id=12&getlevel=009"> What standards of behaviour do you ask of your members?</a><br /> <br /> However, while I strongly disagree with you for reasons I have frequently outlined elsewhere on the site, I won't censor you and will allow the posts to remain on the site without deleting them, since full censorship is opposed by Dr C and many people who visit whether or not they share your odious ideas. <br /> <br /> I want to stress that I know these are your individual opinions and that they certainly don't represent official site policy, since on Vive we believe that Canadians are defined not by their race but simply by their citizenship and even residency in this country. We make every effort to be diverse and inclusive on this site and will continue to do so. That means providing a forum where views we don't share can be expressed. <br /> <br /> However, only to a point.<br /> <br /> I have received a very justified email complaint about these posts and as a result I have decided to lock the topic after posting my strong objection here to this material. I'll also ask you please refrain from posting similar material in the future; if you persist I may in fact begin deleting posts. <br /> <br /> You can of course email me personally if you want to discuss this further.<br /> <br /> <br />