[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= Marcarc] Just because there is no mechanism for separation does not mean that it is impossible. If that were the case Great Britain would have 'sued' Ireland, India, France would have sued Angola, etc. All empires set considerable obstacles to anyone who attempts to dismantle them, which is why most have been dismantled by force. In Canada, our 'sovereign' country and it's decisions rests with the federal government. With NAFTA, GM, Security treaties, water treaties, sales of federal land, etc., I think that it's time we ALL start talking about separating. Should Quebec vote to separate-and I believe they will simply by observing what is going in Canada, I doubt Canada has the will to step into a civil war. They will prolong the process by just about every means possible while buying as much power as possible, but hopefully a civil war would be avoided.[/QUOTE] <br />I missed this most sound post of yours Marcarc and will only add this. As sad as it seems, some kind of aggression that would see the elephant down south come and help us protect our sovereignty would be desirable to some degree. That would send a clear message through some ROC thick skulls that we trully are a nation once and for all.

[Dino]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] Dino, no federalist OR sovereigntist Québec government will ever, EVER bring up the issue of entering your Constitution with the people of Québec. Both federalist AND sovereigntist political parties in Québec know better than to trust the "centralists" that make it to Ottawa, no matter who they are.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I don't think I ever said it would have to start with a Liberal leader in Quebec to get the constitutional talks to open up. If the Prime Minister wanted to form ideas and get Quebecers to agree to them then someone like Charest would call a referendum so the people in Quebec can vote to enter the constitution. <br /> <br />If the PQ party can call a referendum to break apart the country the Liberal party in Quebec can call a referendum to enter the constitution killing all chances of Quebec becoming a country. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'>

[samuel]

Dino there is an expression in French that goes "elle comprend vite, mais il faut lui expliquer longtemps". <br /> <br />I just explained to you that Charest, Landry & Co will not entrust Québec's future to "centralists" in Ottawa, no matter who's in there asking fot it.

[gaulois]

[QUOTE BY= Macdonald/Borden] What makes you think that in the RARE even that Quebec separates from the rest of Canada we will go back to being unilingual, we have a HUGE Francophone community in the rest of Canada which now finds it easier to live amongst us Anglophones thanks to Bilingualism and since we have had it for over 30 years it would cost a fortune to go back and change everything back to English only. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Macdonald/Borden: you need to look into your numbers; the FHQs (Francophones Hors-Quebec) are a ***tiny tiny tiny*** number compared to other ethnic groups, getting even tinier and their intergeneration assimilation rate are extremely alarming. 30000 in greater Vancouver, 60000 across the entire province. Now compare that with the various asian groups, for instance and we don't even register. Do *not* confuse the increased popularity of French in the ROC (e.g. French immersion schooling) or having some federal services in French in the ROC with how the FHQs are doing. Vive is also an eloquent example of the FHQs being such a tiny bunch and Canada limited bilingualism. I happen to be the only FHQ whatsoever on Vive that describes itself as such!!! Chrétien even acknowledged at the end of his political term that assimiliation was just "a fact of life", the same guy that screwed up indian affairs when he first entered federal politics. <br /> <br />Our current bilingualism policy and implementation have not helped these assimilation rates. The forces of "integration" (it is a more polite word than assimilation) are huge, and getting worse as the kids head over to the Internet. I think the situation of FHQs can be improved (see my article on the Reincarnation of Dead Ducks) but is not currently being improved due to what I would describe as our basic ROC complacency on this matter amongst many others ones (where the political leaders are not doing their job and the bureaucrats have gone out of control). <br /> <br />So I do not think that the separation of Quebec is going to change things a whole lot for the FHQs. I would sorely miss Radio-Canada service more than anything else, in spite of what I have said on them before. They are our last linguistic survival line. The main contribution of Quebec toward FHQs is resupplying the ailing demography of the ROC. If they separate, I suspect less Québécois would come to the ROC. I am a comitted federalist but do understand why many Québécois wish to separate. And it has a lot to do with the complacency of the ROC IMHO.

[Dino]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] Dino there is an expression in French that goes "elle comprend vite, mais il faut lui expliquer longtemps".[/QUOTE] <br />She learns fast, but it takes her a long time to explain. <br />Hmmm .....and I thought I was awful at understanding french. <br />[QUOTE BY= Samuel]I just explained to you that Charest, Landry & Co will not entrust Québec's future to "centralists" in Ottawa, no matter who's in there asking fot it.[/QUOTE] <br />If the federal government finds a way to change the constitution that everyone in Canada likes (because it can happen not everyone is a pessimist) and they were to take a poll of how many people in all of Canada like it and they found that the entire country found it fair then the federal government would just call a National Referendum. <br /> <br />What's Landry,Duceppe,Charest going to do about that? <br /> <br />If the majority of Quebecers vote to enter the constitution then the talk of separation is over. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br /> <br />

[michou]

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[michou]

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[samuel]

Dino you got that expression wrong, it's "she learns fast, but you have to explain it to her a long time before she does". <br /> <br />And unfortunately it still applies <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>