[Calumny]

michou. <br /> <br />In the eventuality that the fountain of youth is discovered in the next few years and we're all still around in a couple of hundred years, please remember when you're the Everlasting Empress of the the Quebecois overlords that I didn't give you too hard a time re: the nation of Quebec (all my personal reservations aside). Let's just put all this Anglo-Quebecois stuff behind us. <br /> <br />Actually, I like Ice-T's line on Law and Order SUV a few weeks back re: all this race etc. stuff becoming meaningless in a couple of hundred years because we'll all be the same colour anyway. Sure would simplify some stuff. Maybe we'll all be speaking Esperanto.

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois] [QUOTE BY= Samuel] I'm just thankful a minority of level-headed Canadians such as Calumny are still around.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />I am affraid you are still going to have to put up with the 10-20% lunatics on the anglo (&franco) side. Do you really not think they exist??? And if they do exist, how do you deal with them? Sois pratico-pratique.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Ok nobody panick. <br />michou to the rescue. <br /> <br />I've just called my member of Parliament, la Sureté du Québec is on it, so are the Royal Mounties, the FBI, the CIA , Interpol and not to be forgotten, the expert Mossad <br />There will be NO LUNATICS roaming the streets under MY watch. <br /> <br />So Gaulois, is that pratico-pratique enough ? <br /> <br />What can we do about the lunatics ? <br />First thing is not becoming one. <br />"Know thyself" was Socrates' greatest lesson to us all. Because it is only when you do that you can begin to understand others. <br />"Know thyself" and until we do, we are just lunatics.

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois]I am affraid you are still going to have to put up with the 10-20% lunatics on the anglo (&franco) side. Do you really not think they exist??? And if they do exist, how do you deal with them? Sois pratico-pratique.[/QUOTE] <br />Alright gaulois, you've referred to me as a lunatic once too often. I'm going to be REAL honest now, I'm going to tell you how MANY Quebeckers really feel about "les froncophones hors-québec". You are sorry, sorry, sorry excuses for francophones. Not only can't you write and formulate the language correctly, you can hardly speak it as well. We are shamed by you! I have more respect for hardliner Anglos than you copouts. To quote my "compatriote" michou, get over it! <br /> <br />As for you other patriotic all-star Canadians who have so far participated in this thread, how about we switch this discussion to the other official language of your beloved country. We'll see how many of you bail out and how many of you remain to display your intellectual savvy. <br /> <br />That was mean, wasn't it? Get over it, we're getting used it.

[Calumny]

Know what you mean, shadowibis. Often don't agree with myself (damn this multiple personality thing). <br /> <br />

[shadowibis]

[QUOTE BY= michou] [QUOTE BY= shadowibis] <br /> <br />So if the majority of Quebecers want to have their own nation, the ROC shoudn't stop them from doing so. But if this is a plan to destroy and break up Canada so the Americans can move in, then they should be resisted from doing this with all we have. <br />[/QUOTE] <br />This has got to be the funniest conspiracy theory I've ever heard in my life. What next ? Québécers are not what they seem to be. They are extra-terrestrials. But hush, don't tell anybody ok ? <br /> <br />This thread is getting more and more twisted and I can just gape at the reasoning behind the words I've just read. <br />This is what I'm hearing: <br />"We are Canadians and so are you. Why may you ask ? Because WE said so." <br />You are all starting to sound a little too much like Americans to me So democratic of you, thank you. How long before you also take my other rights away ? <br /> <br />That's it ! Eureka ! I now understand the reasoning, It's because you are only Canadians by name also. Deep down you are no different than Americans. You are the same. <br />Is it difficult looking at yourself in the mirror and see their spitting image looking back at you ? <br />So it is true then, without the Québec difference, Canada is nothing. Well not nothing, just another American state. <br /> <br />So people, how does it feel being categorized as northern Americans ? Do you enjoy it ? Don't worry though, truth does hurt sometimes but you'll eventually get over it. Give it a few centuries and then you won't feel a thing, I mean no Canadian thing anyway now that Québec is an empire and rules the world.. <br /> <br />Signed : Michou XI , the twisted sister.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Michou, that was very funny calling us Americans and all but it doesn't solve anything. <br /> <br />Whelan, being an Albertan exposed to a certain perhaps other flavour of separatism, posed what I thought were very legitimate questions about Quebec separatists' motives that were, and still are being dismissed as invalid argument. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

[shadowibis]

[QUOTE BY= Calumny] Know what you mean, shadowibis. Often don't agree with myself (damn this multiple personality thing). <br /> <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Thanks for the book suggestion. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'>

[shadowibis]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] [QUOTE BY= gaulois]I am affraid you are still going to have to put up with the 10-20% lunatics on the anglo (&franco) side. Do you really not think they exist??? And if they do exist, how do you deal with them? Sois pratico-pratique.[/QUOTE] <br />Alright gaulois, you've referred to me as a lunatic once too often. I'm going to be REAL honest now, I'm going to tell you how MANY Quebeckers really feel about "les froncophones hors-québec". You are sorry, sorry, sorry excuses for francophones. Not only can't you write and formulate the language correctly, you can hardly speak it as well. We are shamed by you! I have more respect for hardliner Anglos than you copouts. To quote my "compatriote" michou, get over it! <br /> <br />As for you other patriotic all-star Canadians who have so far participated in this thread, how about we switch this discussion to the other official language of your beloved country. We'll see how many of you bail out and how many of you remain to display your intellectual savvy. <br /> <br />That was mean, wasn't it? Get over it, we're getting used it.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />That's true, we wouldn't be able to keep up with you communicating in written French. I'd hold my own if we were talking French face to face though, however, you might not want to be that close to me considering you've gone all 'Parizeau' on us. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> Peace kiddies, I'm out of here.

[samuel]

Even in English you stoop to insults and name calling. I wouldn't entertain a face-to-face discussion with you if it paid <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/eek.gif' alt='Eek!'>

[tifani]

[QUOTE BY= michou] <br />Well said. <br />That is why Canada now has 54 separatists sitting in its house of Parliament.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Not necessarily. I know people in Quebec who are NOT separatist and who only voted Bloc because they didn't like the Liberals and they liked the Bloc's stance on social issues.

[whelan costen]

Exactly my point earlier Tifani; also Samuel says, 'To suggest you have the slightest idea of what's best for Québec as an Albertan is simply outrageous' <br /> <br />But Samuel I am also a Canadian, I have lived in several provinces, I was raised in a predominately French community, some of my ancestors settled in Quebec, I have relatives all over Canada, so I do have a vested interest in Canada's future. I also cannot be paid for my vested interest as you suggested. <br /> <br />That is one of the problems, you are denying a basic fact, Quebec is part of Canada until it is not. So at this point whether you deny it or not you are Canadian. I can deny that I am a human being, but that won't change the fact.(although you might think I am not) <br /> <br />My concerns is for Canada the country and I believe that there are powers which have been in place since our very beginnings to become an American colony. Certain people will probably benefit financially from such an evolvement, but it will not be the people. It will not be the Quebecois nor the Albertans who chose separation. It will not be the Canadian military that will shed blood, but it could be a foreign power, once they see our weakness in our internal fighting for our separate independance. <br /> <br />Each time a politician starts this talk, 'we the people of this province are not being respected, not being represented and not getting our fair share'; the people get their shackles up and say that is right. As with most issues, we the people, are never told what separation really means, what we lose and what we gain from that decision. Many people will be hurt by the violence which will come, because of frustrated people, people who do not believe that the process is moving fast enough. <br /> <br />When the separatist movement was very wild in the 1970's the FLQ did not use democracy to create the image of the new Quebec. The zealots will not wait for democracy and just like any other situation, people make money from war, civil or otherwise. You can bet that war will come to Canada if we cannot learn to live in peace. That is my fear, and you can call it fear mongering, or you can step back for a moment and think about the issue. Sometimes there is a very real reason to fear and I believe that we have much to fear from the corporate takeover of Canada. <br /> <br />When it happens, Quebec will not have its language, its culture or its rights, but then again neither will any other province. We will be slaves to the corporate regime, that isn't just fear, that is looking at what is happening all over the world. <br /> <br />When these war mongers get an idea, like supplying both sides of the Iran-Contra situation, do you think they cared who won, how many die? No they make money. Would it be a real stretch to say that someone might get stupid and decide to fund a small group of terrorist on either side of a hostile situation in Canada. So we lose a few thousand people on either side, or more, they don't care, they will come in to settle the affair, and we all lose. <br /> <br />There is one question which remains for me, why can't our elected provincial reps make proper fair deals for their constituents with our elected officials in Ottawa. Both are suppose to represent us, both are paid by us. Did it not occur to you that these people might benefit more by not getting along with each other? Do you think that when they rub shoulders at those ritzy affairs for big wigs, they discuss what is good for the people, or is it more about, you help my buddy over here and I'll ignore that issue over there? <br /> <br />These are the questions which go through my mind. We the people can continue to say that each province doesn't have the right to interfere, doesn't have the right to have an opinion, etc. and that each province is being short changed, but if we really want what is best we ought to try to find the answer to stop the corporate takeover, the globalization, the greed of our politicians which supercedes all of our needs and rights.

[samuel]

Oh boy whelan, I sympathise but I've got to ask, do you get private discussion sessions with Paul Martin? I'm at a lost for words with this latest post because it is completely out of my reality. <br /> <br />I've just reflected on one of your past comments on getting nothing but the "Party Line" in this thread. I'm no politician and I suspect you're not either, but read your latest post and question yourself as to how affected you are by Party ideologies. We call this "ouverture d'esprit" in French.

[gaulois]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel] Alright gaulois, you've referred to me as a lunatic once too often. I'm going to be REAL honest now, I'm going to tell you how MANY Quebeckers really feel about "les froncophones hors-québec". You are sorry, sorry, sorry excuses for francophones. Not only can't you write and formulate the language correctly, you can hardly speak it as well. We are shamed by you! I have more respect for hardliner Anglos than you copouts. To quote my "compatriote" michou, get over it! <br />[/QUOTE] <br />I did not not think that you despise that much your cousins hors-Québec no longer pure-laine. And I can see that you are getting a little thin skin. Reminds me of Lucien huffing and puffing over hot air. I swear I am not trying to persecute you. If I am not with you, I must be against you. Reminds me of an other lunatic that happens to run a country.... <br /> <br />Let's try to maintain good anglo upper lip civility. <br />Let's assume for a moment that you are not a lunatic (and that I am not one either). Let's assume that there 1-2% of the population that are lunatics to the point that they really should be under medication. BTW I am not suggesting that you are amongst this 1-2% in case you thought I was. These people can cause a lot of damage to others before doing it to themselves. Again you (&I) are not one of them. Charest and Campbell in my part of Canada has set them free. And these people are ready to snap. They read papers like the Toronto Star or the Montréal Matin and get very excited over little. Stories like the unilingual dog aggravation. They often forget to take their medication. We are talking about the calibre of Tim McVeigh, rien de léger ready to kill a whole bunch of innocents because they think there is a conspiracy going on. These people get triggered by the 2-20% only mildly lunatics ones. <br /> <br />First of all would you agree that there are as many on the anglo side as there are on the franco side (the mildly i.e. 10-20 and the severe 1-2%)? If you don't, let's simply end the discussion. There is absolutely no point carrying on for either of us. If you do, there is a real puzzle to be solved. Tell me how you solve it and there is no need to get personal with me. Focus on the problem at hand if you can. How do you solve it? <br />

[whelan costen]

Samuel says: Oh boy whelan, I sympathise but I've got to ask, do you get private discussion sessions with Paul Martin? I'm at a lost for words with this latest post because it is completely out of my reality.... <br />and then 'ask yourself how you are affected by party ideologies?' <br /> <br />Well first I am not a card carrying any party...I am a Canadian and I haven't heard these issues brought up by Martin as I would actually believe that his attachment to corporate welfare ie; CSL would not allow him to bring up such an issue. If what I wrote is out of your reality then you ought to take a look at what is happening on the planet, civil wars are encouraged by outsiders, funded by outsiders, and then the poor citizens are rescued by those same outsiders and the spoils of war go to the victor! That is history, modern and ancient. <br /> <br />I am not a politician, nor am I a conspiracy expert, but it is unwise to except the word of a politician today at face value, we have too many examples of them speaking with forked tongues. We have been brought into too many trade deals and wars without our approval, without our full knowledge to ever believe that there are not hidden agendas, pay offs or otherwise behind many of our policies. <br /> <br />So perhaps you need to check your reality setting? Mine is on red alert! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/eek.gif' alt='Eek!'> <br />

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois]Let's assume for a moment that you are not a lunatic[/QUOTE] <br />This is the fifth (5) time you insenuate my being a lunatic. You are obviously polarized with this notion to a troubling degree. As for refering to other people as lunatics, I haven't the slightest clue what you're talking about. What and who is a lunatic? If you're referring to the FLQ then I agree, they were lunatics and not the sovereigntists I know. If you're refering to hardliner anglos, again I don't think they are lunatics. So, who are lunatics in this country according to you?

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= whelan costen]If what I wrote is out of your reality then you ought to take a look at what is happening on the planet, civil wars are encouraged by outsiders, funded by outsiders, and then the poor citizens are rescued by those same outsiders and the spoils of war go to the victor! That is history, modern and ancient.[/QUOTE] <br />That is the modern and ancient history of mostly underdeveloped countries with mostly uneducated populations influenced by superior second or third parties. We're in North America.