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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 12:19 pm
 


Title: Vote for Sovereignty! Canadian Election Today
Topic: Canadian Politics
Written By: sthompson
Date: Tuesday, October 14 at 10:55
Today is the Canadian election.  Please make sure to get out and vote.  Your votes can make a difference by slowing or stopping the process of deep integration.  Here is some background information on the various political parties and sovereignty so you can make your decision.
 
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It is important for Canadians to consider all the facts and the facts support voting NDP in a riding where this would mean a Tory is elected is not in their best interests and would actually place them farther away from what they are hoping for if they are unhappy with Harper and his policies, etc... To suggest there is no difference between Harper as Prime Minister and his dictator-like behavior and indifference towards Canadians and Dion as Prime Minister is seriously misleading and not supported by the facts. Based on what we know at this time any vote that would help Harper continue as Prime Minister is not in Canadians best interests or the best interests of our country.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 1:50 pm
 


I voted for the NDP, I would have voted for CAP but that wasn't an option.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 4:57 pm
 


The priority should be to get rid of Harper above all else...

On Afghanistan, he campaigned on a promise to let Parliament vote on all future military deployments. But just before the Afghan vote he told stunned MPs he'd simply ignore the result if they voted against the mission.

Some politicians will agree to meet with protesters, either to calm tensions, learn about an issue or just for the publicity. Not Harper. His reaction to demonstrators at a Three Amigos summit with the U.S. and Mexican presidents was to label the protesters "pathetic."

There is no perfect choice, only the best choice out of our options and our options for our new Prime Minister this time around based on the evidence are Harper or Dion...all we can do is vote for the best outcome possible and the evidence supports that would be Harper gone and Dion as our new Prime Minister.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 6:25 pm
 


The bottom line is that Harper has shown absolutely no leadership in foreign policy, the economy, the environment, the arts and has run a closed and secretive government after promising transparency. Hopefully, we can get this country back on the right track by doing as Scout says, making it a priority to get rid of Harper and go from there.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 14, 2008 7:47 pm
 


Yeah well, what the hell`s wrong with people? It`s not looking too good for Canadian freedom and sovereignty right now!



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I didn't vote for any of the so-called "vanguard" parties to the system last night, along with an all time record 49% percent of the potential "electorate" of "the system", and make no apologies for it. And despite the accusation that the low voter turnout MAY have favoured the Cons, on the surface of it. it MAY just as well have more likely, in my view, also potentially favoured the NDP and/or Greens, had they the political acumen, principle, courage, and insight to tap into it. (Lots of disaffected left and left-environmentalists out there, I can attest.)

Two things it appears from the results happened last night. First, the Liberals lost votes and seats to the Cons AND NDP, with the Cons getting the greater benefit from that not insignificant "wannabe conservative" wing of the Liberals that hated Dion-, who actually came on more left and progressive than the NDP for much of the campaign. It just didn't work for him because the history of the Liberal Party simply made it unbelievable, even though he himself MAY have been sincere. (And which drove his enemies into marking their X for the Conservatives clearly-, the real source of his gains, not us of the dis-affected.)

Which brings me to that typically intellectual skank, Rex Murphy, who despite the fact that I generally loathe him, made the most profound observations of the evening on CBC, I thought.

His observation being that he thoughT ALL of the status quo parties lacked credibility and sincerity throughout the entire election. He said, in words to the effect, here we are, the country and the "free world" moving into what is almost certainly destined to be the most severe crisis of capitalism since the last Great Depression, and it was like there was a gentlemen's agreement amongst all of them to simply ignore it. Not a one of the learned ladies or gentlemen would speak of this crisis of capitalism, its significance and the effect it is likely destined to have on "ordinary folks", to any serious analytical depth. They were simply absorbed in the "business" as usual, pragmatic and don't rock the boat gamesmanship of winning an election, on "the system's" terms.

Which is the central manifest observation one needs to make about ALL these so-called status quo "vanguard" parties, and is central to understanding the all time record 49% non-participation rate in the process. (Which didn't just happen for no good reason. And weeping and wailing about it, and getting all huffy and self-righteous, won't do a single iota of good.) It IS as if there is a "ladies and gentlemen's agreement" amongst them all to dumb down the debate and the process to a routine and ritualistic kind of politics, even in the face of the most severe global economic and political crisis of the last 50-60 years. Like Murphy observed, there is no fire and brimstone of depth of analysis and conviction amongst a one of them. They are play acting, every goddamn "party" out there.

No wonder there is so much apparent "apathy". And I'm not really sure that it is apathy at all. In fact, I'm damn sure that is only how it seems on the surface of it, especially to the "true believers" still genuflecting at the Alter of What Passes For Democracy.

Finally, I'm not convinced anymore of the value of the "party" system. I think it is as it manifests itself, a reflection of the class system within capitalism,in a time and place where even the working class still "largely" continues to buy into ruling class ideas. (And certainly the NDP, fundamentally, has made its compromises and deals with these "ruling class ideas.")

But, that said, if there is a vanguard party out there that wants my vote, and/or seriously expects me to vote for it, as Murphy spoke of, it better evidence a whole lot more fire and brimstone depth of analysis and understanding, and preparedness to ACT against the system than I've observed from any of them, including the NDP and Greens. The triteness political pablum of all the parties to capitalism I've heard before. And I ain't going there to dine no more.

And I know there is that sentiment out there to give the NDP, even the Greens a chance federally. They'd be better than the Cons. To which I would only observe that the proof of that pudding is in how they have behaved politically throughout the Neocon period of the last 30 years, since the 70s at least. With the rise of neo-liberal economics and neocon politics, the NDP everywhere, provincially, themselves moved increasingly "right" until they became indistinguishable from the Liberals, and are clearly, from the behaviour of their leaders, even Layton, testing the waters to merge in one form or another with the Liberals. I remember the budget and job cuts the NDP helped carry through and make "palatable", in an environment of fear, here in BC. I remember the times they broke strikes and ordered workers back to work... For whom? The employers. ...and worked through the NDP union leadership to undermine strikes and limit their demands to non-political, non-power threatening nickles and dimes. Until it scarcely today even resembles remotely the Party of Woodrow and Douglas. It has itself been "neoconized" So I am unconvinced that "in power", with their history of moving right the closer they get to power, they would behave that much differently from the Cons or the Libs. (Consider as well the role Labour has played in Britain and Germany, for but two examples amongst many, over the Neocon period-, to where they too effectively champion socialism for the banks and the wealthy, and laissez-faire capitalism for the working class. As for the Greens, they don't even attempt to hide their pro-capitalism bias and contempt for the working class, here or in Europe. They have simply put on some green-face.)

That, at least, is how I see it. And I ain't gonna waste my time on this status quo process anymore. Folks, certainly working class folks, need to make better use of their time and money resources, than wasting either upon any one of these slackards and opportunists.

Eat your hearts out. I'll vote when and if I'm good and ready, and only then. Cry in your own beer. :)

49% didn't even bother. That makes us "non-participants" the largest single block in the entire goddamn ruling class controlled process. We are not giving this bullshit, so-called "democratic process" legitimacy with our participation in it.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 6:52 pm
 


New election rules violated many Canadians democratic rights...
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/ho ... 008_081013


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Voter identification was indeed a problem for some rural residents in the provincial election in Ontario because of address requirements but in this federal election I cannot see how it could be such a problem. There was a long list of acceptable documents and when I called Elections Canada I was told that the vulgarities of rural addressing should not be a problem, Perhaps it depended upon how the individual returning officer interpreted what is or is not an �address�. Any one taking any notice at all should have known to ensure that they had the correct identification, it was well publicized on radio, in newspapers and by mail. For those in reduced circumstances even a �Government Cheque stub� was sufficient for one piece of ID, for our native population their �Status Card� was acceptable.

Lets not make problems where there are none, several alternatives were available to those with no means of identification but surely if you are aware enough to vote you are aware enough to ensure that you have sufficient ID or made arrangements to be identified before such time as you need to. Even students just moved in to temporary accommodation could vote at home in the advanced polls or even arrange to vote by mail by calling elections Canada ahead of time.

It is important that we ensure that the voting privileges are not abused and the only way to do so is to positively identify each voter and try and ensure that they do not vote in two separate locations. What is the alternative, back to the dip your finger in the ink pot to say that you have voted?

In my view the requirements are quite reasonable given the long list of acceptable ID and the alternatives available. Those that wish to participate have an obligation to ensure that they can indeed identify themselves and their current place of residence without such safeguards anyone could vote anywhere!



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The facts reported directly conflict with your opinion and I can see no reason for them reporting this information if it were not true, especially when the evidence proves the media is biased in favour of Harper...
http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/ho ... 008_081013


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http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/ho ... 008_081013


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http://news.sympatico.msn.ctv.ca/abc/ho ... 008_081013


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What's the old bullsh** saying, "if you don't vote, you can't complain". Yeah, just another cliche used to shut people up and eat the garbage they are being fed. The bottom line is that all these leaders are puppets - they're owned - and not by the working class. If these characters continue to disregard the people's interests, why vote for them? Today's democracy has the credibility and integrity of a crackhead needing a hit. Most people know it and they refuse to be part of this scam.

Finally, the politicians and their masters don't give a rat's ass if people vote or not because it's business as usual for them regardless. No reason to blame half the population for figuring out their little game.


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Those of you who posted here advocating "anyone but Harper" seemed to miss the point of my original article on the Liberals and Conservatives, and that was that regardless of which party was the ruling party, they signed agreements that created NAFTA and NAFTA plus (deep integration). So while it might be argued that Dion was "better" than Harper on many issues, Canadian sovereignty and democracy as a whole was not one of them. There was no mention from Dion or the Liberals that they would slow or stop the progress of deep integration with the US and the EU, and in the all-candidates' meetings I attended Liberal candidates rejected this outright.

As for not voting, don't act as if your non-action is some great political statement. You've essentially completely given up what little voice you have. Political leaders and parties will always cater at least a little to voters, and not at all to non-voters--and those who don't vote are always assumed to be completely happy with the status quo. And doing nothing is not by any stretch of the imagination an act of political activism.

Now, what the last election DID highlight was the need for electoral reform in this country. The outdated first-past-the-post system does not work and needs to be reformed. Of all the votes that were cast, far too many were wasted. What the election results did this time was make that fact clear and obvious. Which is sad, but also could be a wonderful thing if we can build on the surge in interest in voting reform right now, and use the minority government situation to make some form of proportional representation a reality in Canada. That would change the way we vote, the way we elect, and the entire political landscape in Canada from now on. More people would probably want to vote too if they knew they could actually do more with their vote.

So here's the post-election challenge: ensuring that voting reform is the number one priority on the new government's agenda.



Once it was decided that Canada was to be a branch-plant society of American capitalism, the issue of Canadian nationalism had been settled.--George Grant


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