[Jesse]

Actually, Air Canada is doing quite good business as travellers choose not to use US carriers. I wouldn't doubt that this is somewhat related to the same distrust of American airlines. There was an article about it posted to vive a while back, I believe.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= jvanherk] Actually, Air Canada is doing quite good business as travellers choose not to use US carriers. I wouldn't doubt that this is somewhat related to the same distrust of American airlines. There was an article about it posted to vive a while back, I believe.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Uh-huh.....okay. But Iqaluit is still getting the short shift. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

[Spock]

But be realistic, Air Canada needs the revenues from these routes to get back on it's feet. With these revenues, Air Canada can offer better customer service to canadian travellers. Besides, being a Chinese, i support this act. To be frank, foreign travellers tends to be willing to pay more for Air Canada's services than canadian customers. I should know, i pay around $1600 a year to travel from Vancouver to China and I can't complain about it. No wonder locations like Iqaluit or yellowknife gets ignored (who really wants to go there).

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[QUOTE BY= spock] But be realistic, Air Canada needs the revenues from these routes to get back on it's feet. With these revenues, Air Canada can offer better customer service to canadian travellers. Besides, being a Chinese, i support this act. To be frank, foreign travellers tends to be willing to pay more for Air Canada's services than canadian customers. I should know, i pay around $1600 a year to travel from Vancouver to China and I can't complain about it. No wonder locations like Iqaluit or yellowknife gets ignored (who really wants to go there). [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Air Canada was in 1985 a public crown-corporation. It was rated the best airline in the world. It is no almost always near bankruptcy. It will not offer better service to Canadians out of the goodness of its heart, it will do what makes the most money. Public airlines see air travel as a service for the good of the country--private airlines can't think this way.<br /> <br /> The idea of a country used to be that places that get less air traffic were subsidized so that people could travel within their own country. I don't subscribe to the borderless world ideology.<br /> <br /> If you felt at home in Canada you wouldn't need to spend $1600 to travel anywhere, let alone from Vancouver to China. It isn't Canada's job to cater to routes that should have many foreign carriers already.<br /> <br /> Few people travel to Iqaluit but Yellowknife actually gets quite a large number of tourists to see the Northern Lights. Without a regulatesd airline industry these places will be impossible to get to affordably.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />

[Spock]

[quote]If you felt at home in Canada you wouldn't need to spend $1600 to travel anywhere, let alone from Vancouver to China. It isn't Canada's job to cater to routes that should have many foreign carriers already.<br /> <br /> Few people travel to Iqaluit but Yellowknife actually gets quite a large number of tourists to see the Northern Lights. Without a regulatesd airline industry these places will be impossible to get to affordably.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Not true, Canada is a country with a large immigrated population, many people needs to travel back and forth not because of comfort (although a lot of them do travel because they can't get accustomed to the life here), but because of business and family reason. i travel back to china every year to visit my father, it's the only chance i have. And with an expanding immigrated population, i think a lot of other canadians or soon-to-be canadians would appreciate the fact that Air Canada can facilitate their travelling needs

[Spock]

[quote]If you felt at home in Canada you wouldn't need to spend $1600 to travel anywhere, let alone from Vancouver to China. It isn't Canada's job to cater to routes that should have many foreign carriers already.<br /> <br /> Few people travel to Iqaluit but Yellowknife actually gets quite a large number of tourists to see the Northern Lights. Without a regulatesd airline industry these places will be impossible to get to affordably.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Not true, Canada is a country with a large immigrated population, many people needs to travel back and forth not because of comfort (although a lot of them do travel because they can't get accustomed to the life here), but because of business and family reason. i travel back to china every year to visit my father, it's the only chance i have. And with an expanding immigrated population, i think a lot of other canadians or soon-to-be canadians would appreciate the fact that Air Canada can facilitate their travelling needs

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[QUOTE BY= spock] [quote]If you felt at home in Canada you wouldn't need to spend $1600 to travel anywhere, let alone from Vancouver to China. It isn't Canada's job to cater to routes that should have many foreign carriers already.<br /> <br /> Few people travel to Iqaluit but Yellowknife actually gets quite a large number of tourists to see the Northern Lights. Without a regulatesd airline industry these places will be impossible to get to affordably.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Not true, Canada is a country with a large immigrated population, many people needs to travel back and forth not because of comfort (although a lot of them do travel because they can't get accustomed to the life here), but because of business and family reason. i travel back to china every year to visit my father, it's the only chance i have. And with an expanding immigrated population, i think a lot of other canadians or soon-to-be canadians would appreciate the fact that Air Canada can facilitate their travelling needs[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> This is the sense of entitlement many Canadians find appalling. You want to have your cake and eat it too. What would you do if there were no airplanes? If you can't get accustomed to life here, and you want to see your father, why not forego the desire for more money and simply live in China? Obviously life in China wasn't very good or perhaps many immigrants are just greedy.<br /> <br /> Yes I acknowledge many Canadians want this service, however the desire to continually leave makes many wonder whether they are Canadians or simply foreigners with a Canadian passport. As for business in China, I don't favour a global economy so maybe I'm just old-fashioned. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

[Spock]

[quote]This is the sense of entitlement many Canadians find appalling. You want to have your cake and eat it too. What would you do if there were no airplanes? If you can't get accustomed to life here, and you want to see your father, why not forego the desire for more money and simply live in China? Obviously life in China wasn't very good or perhaps many immigrants are just greedy.<br /> <br /> Yes I acknowledge many Canadians want this service, however the desire to continually leave makes many wonder whether they are Canadians or simply foreigners with a Canadian passport. As for business in China, I don't favour a global economy so maybe I'm just old-fashioned. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Once again not true, there are a lot of canadians with families in country and abroad? Why should they have to forsake their families overseas? Indigenous canadians may find appalling that immigrated canadians have this sense of entitlement, but the truth is, it's just a fact Canada have to live with. WIthout the large immigrated population, canada would find itself starving for work forces. While I think that Air Canada should be taking better care of the domestic routes, it's not necessarily a bad thing that they are exploiting foreign markets.

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[QUOTE BY= spock] [quote]This is the sense of entitlement many Canadians find appalling. You want to have your cake and eat it too. What would you do if there were no airplanes? If you can't get accustomed to life here, and you want to see your father, why not forego the desire for more money and simply live in China? Obviously life in China wasn't very good or perhaps many immigrants are just greedy.<br /> <br /> Yes I acknowledge many Canadians want this service, however the desire to continually leave makes many wonder whether they are Canadians or simply foreigners with a Canadian passport. As for business in China, I don't favour a global economy so maybe I'm just old-fashioned. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Once again not true, there are a lot of canadians with families in country and abroad? Why should they have to forsake their families overseas? Indigenous canadians may find appalling that immigrated canadians have this sense of entitlement, but the truth is, it's just a fact Canada have to live with. WIthout the large immigrated population, canada would find itself starving for work forces. While I think that Air Canada should be taking better care of the domestic routes, it's not necessarily a bad thing that they are exploiting foreign markets.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Don't get me wrong I have no problem with Air Canada capitalizing on the Bejing market. China is where the money is right now so I agree with you.<br /> <br /> With 7% unemployment, I think immigration has more to do with lowering labour costs but that's just me. <br /> <br /> In the past immigrants couldn't visit old relatives often as travelling by ship was slow and expensive but ovviously air travel has changed everything. <br /> <br /> The only time I really got mad about flights to China was when the Canadian government didn't temporarily suspend them during the SARS crisis to attempt to slow the spread of SARS......

[badsector]

[QUOTE]Perturbed:<br /> <br /> If you felt at home in Canada you wouldn't need to spend $1600 to travel anywhere, let alone from Vancouver to China.<br /> <br /> This is the sense of entitlement many Canadians find appalling.[/QUOTE]<br /> Is this guy for real?<br /> <br /> First of all, do you mean to say that if you like Canada you shouldn't travel? Some Canadians have a desire to get to know other countries. It comes with reading books (you should try it sometimes) and being interested in things other than the local MacDonalds. Someone I know was born in Canada but lives in Thailand because he loves that country and its people. Second, like it or not, there is a growing trade between China and North America. Air Canada is a business and takes an advantage of the <b>demand</b> to travel to that part of the World. Good for them, I hope they'll make lots of money. Third, if you moved, say, to the United States because you found a better job there, would you give up being Canadian? Would you severe ties with your family and friends in Canada? Would you forget where you grew up? If yes, I pity you.

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[QUOTE BY= badsector] [QUOTE]Perturbed:<br /> <br /> If you felt at home in Canada you wouldn't need to spend $1600 to travel anywhere, let alone from Vancouver to China.<br /> <br /> This is the sense of entitlement many Canadians find appalling.[/QUOTE]<br /> Is this guy for real?<br /> <br /> First of all, do you mean to say that if you like Canada you shouldn't travel? Some Canadians have a desire to get to know other countries. It comes with reading books (you should try it sometimes) and being interested in things other than the local MacDonalds. Someone I know was born in Canada but lives in Thailand because he loves that country and its people. Second, like it or not, there is a growing trade between China and North America. Air Canada is a business and takes an advantage of the <b>demand</b> to travel to that part of the World. Good for them, I hope they'll make lots of money. Third, if you moved, say, to the United States because you found a better job there, would you give up being Canadian? Would you severe ties with your family and friends in Canada? Would you forget where you grew up? If yes, I pity you.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> The only reasons there is demand is because our immigration policy happens to favour immigration from China at this time, hence there are more Chinese people who want to go home. The number of people who travel tp China on business is still relatively small as only big corporations are truly global.

[badsector]

And your point is?

[Brent Swain]

An Australian told me that we need a means of getting from Australia to Canada without stopping in the US. He said that there are thousands of Ausie tourists who want to visit Canada, but refuse to as long as they are requuired to stop in the US enroute. This is probably also the case with Kiwis. Non stop between Vancouver and Fiji, or Rarotonga would do the trick.<br /> Brent

[Brother Jonathan]

The problem is that you’d need to also avoid US territorial waters around Hawaii and American Samoa to completely avoid US jurisdiction, and Hawaii is fairly close to the great circle between Vancouver and Sydney (as well as Vancouver/Suva).<br /> <br /> Stopping over at <a href="http://www2.laas.fr/PRDC10/images/photos/ASoRtP-800.jpg">Papeete</a> would probably be the likeliest alternative to Honolulu; it would only add about 600 km to a Vancouver/Auckland trip, and about 1,500 km to a Vancouver/Sydney trip. Should <a href="http://www.airtahitinui.com/">Air Tahiti Nui</a> be convinced to replace their Los Angeles destination with Vancouver, the additional time needed on their Airbus A340-300s would be roughly 0:45 and 1:45 respectively.

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[QUOTE BY= Brent Swain] An Australian told me that we need a means of getting from Australia to Canada without stopping in the US. He said that there are thousands of Ausie tourists who want to visit Canada, but refuse to as long as they are requuired to stop in the US enroute. This is probably also the case with Kiwis. Non stop between Vancouver and Fiji, or Rarotonga would do the trick.<br /> Brent [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Why do they care that much about stopping? Politics? Australia is even more multicultural than Canada--but they won't be escaping it much if they come and visit Canada, #2 on the list....I hope they are coming for the wilderness....