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[QUOTE BY= Ed King] [QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />At the Commonwealth game in 2002, Jennifer Carroll had the misfortune to wave the Quebec flag in 2002 after she won the silver medal. Dave Johnson, the staunch anti-Quebec coach, forced her to appear before a disciplinary committee from midnight to 2: a.m. It was a crime, according to every English media at the time. When Catriona Lemay-Doan waved the Saskatchewan flag in 1998, nobody cared and it hardly made the news. <br /> <br />How can you explain this? <br /> <br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<BR><BR>Here's a picture of Le May Doan: http://www.canoe.ca/SlamNaganoGalleryAr ... 5Fa23.html . Now here is a picture of Carroll: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/12/11/flag_021211 . <BR><BR>Although I agree that the media over-reacted(when don't they?), I don't see Carroll holding a Canadian flag that is 5 times the size of her Quebec flag, the way Le May Doan does. If she had, I doubt very much that there would've been a controversy. And it wasn't a crime: it was a clear-cut violation of protocol, hence the disciplinary hearing. <BR><BR>If memory serves, people weren't too thrilled to see Donovan Bailey adorn a Jamaican flag either. Is it because Canadians hate Jamaica? No. Like Le May Doan, however, Bailey had the common sense to display both. <BR><BR>I challenge you to show that picture of Le May Doan to a bunch of people and ask them what kind of flag she is holding; I bet you the first response out of their mouths will be 'Canadian'. <BR><BR>P.S. I don't think the Brisebois thing was "downplayed" either. As with any story, there were different opinions in the papers and on TV. And Prospal was disciplined, having to go through "diversity training", or whatever it's called. If the English papers over-reacted to the Carroll thing, surely you can admit that French Canadian media over-reacted to the Prospal thing, right?[/QUOTE] <br />Damned that Québec sponsorship scandal <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> <br /> <br />"Carroll, who wears a lucky red cowboy hat, said it was not a political gesture, but a way of saying thanks to people who had supported her"

[Ed King]

"Damned that Québec sponsorship scandal <br /> <br />"Carroll, who wears a lucky red cowboy hat, said it was not a political gesture, but a way of saying thanks to people who had supported her""<BR><BR>Sorry, I don't get it. Maybe I'm a little slow(it wouldn't be the first time! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/biggrin.gif' alt='Big Grin'> ) What's your point?

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[QUOTE BY= Samuel] [QUOTE BY= Ed King] [QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />At the Commonwealth game in 2002, Jennifer Carroll had the misfortune to wave the Quebec flag in 2002 after she won the silver medal. Dave Johnson, the staunch anti-Quebec coach, forced her to appear before a disciplinary committee from midnight to 2: a.m. It was a crime, according to every English media at the time. When Catriona Lemay-Doan waved the Saskatchewan flag in 1998, nobody cared and it hardly made the news. <br /> <br />How can you explain this? <br /> <br /> <br /> [/QUOTE]<BR><BR>Here's a picture of Le May Doan: http://www.canoe.ca/SlamNaganoGalleryAr ... 5Fa23.html . Now here is a picture of Carroll: http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2002/12/11/flag_021211 . <BR><BR>Although I agree that the media over-reacted(when don't they?), I don't see Carroll holding a Canadian flag that is 5 times the size of her Quebec flag, the way Le May Doan does. If she had, I doubt very much that there would've been a controversy. And it wasn't a crime: it was a clear-cut violation of protocol, hence the disciplinary hearing. <BR><BR>If memory serves, people weren't too thrilled to see Donovan Bailey adorn a Jamaican flag either. Is it because Canadians hate Jamaica? No. Like Le May Doan, however, Bailey had the common sense to display both. <BR><BR>I challenge you to show that picture of Le May Doan to a bunch of people and ask them what kind of flag she is holding; I bet you the first response out of their mouths will be 'Canadian'. <BR><BR>P.S. I don't think the Brisebois thing was "downplayed" either. As with any story, there were different opinions in the papers and on TV. And Prospal was disciplined, having to go through "diversity training", or whatever it's called. If the English papers over-reacted to the Carroll thing, surely you can admit that French Canadian media over-reacted to the Prospal thing, right?[/QUOTE] <br />Damned that Québec sponsorship scandal <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/smile.gif' alt='Smile'> <br /> <br />"Carroll, who wears a lucky red cowboy hat, said it was not a political gesture, but a way of saying thanks to people who had supported her"[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Just like Gaulois and other federalist told me : blind spots. Caroll was not allowed to display her provincial flag and Lemay-Doan was. Double standards, double standards, double standards...The reason is that the Quebec flag makes Canada vomit. <br /> <br />Oh wow! French Canadians overreacted for Vaclav! What were we supposed to do? Sit down and stupidly smile? <br /> <br />I don`t know if Vaclav was reprimanded, but he didn`t apologize to Brisebois. <br /> <br /> <br />

[Ed King]

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Just like Gaulois and other federalist told me : blind spots. Caroll was not allowed to display her provincial flag and Lemay-Doan was. Double standards, double standards, double standards...The reason is that the Quebec flag makes Canada vomit. <br /> <br />Oh wow! French Canadians overreacted for Vaclav! What were we supposed to do? Sit down and stupidly smile? <br /> <br />I don`t know if Vaclav was reprimanded, but he didn`t apologize to Brisebois. <br />[/QUOTE]<BR><BR>This is not a double standard; if you look at the pictures, Le May Doan has a much larger Canadian flag above her small provincial flag, Carroll does not. As you probably know, when one flag is atop another, it means that it is of greater importance. <BR><BR>Like I said above, if Carroll had a large Canadian flag on top of her small Quebec flag, I doubt it would've been a problem. If you can quote an example of an athlete being disciplined for showing both, then that would be a different story.

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[QUOTE BY= Ed King] [QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Just like Gaulois and other federalist told me : blind spots. Caroll was not allowed to display her provincial flag and Lemay-Doan was. Double standards, double standards, double standards...The reason is that the Quebec flag makes Canada vomit. <br /> <br />Oh wow! French Canadians overreacted for Vaclav! What were we supposed to do? Sit down and stupidly smile? <br /> <br />I don`t know if Vaclav was reprimanded, but he didn`t apologize to Brisebois. <br />[/QUOTE]<BR><BR>This is not a double standard; if you look at the pictures, Le May Doan has a much larger Canadian flag above her small provincial flag, Carroll does not. As you probably know, when one flag is atop another, it means that it is of greater importance. <BR><BR>Like I said above, if Carroll had a large Canadian flag on top of her small Quebec flag, I doubt it would've been a problem. If you can quote an example of an athlete being disciplined for showing both, then that would be a different story.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Double standards, double standards, double standards, it is not the size or the shape of the flag that matters, it is the principle of WAVING A PROVINCIAL FLAG. Saskatchewan 1; Quebec 0. <br /> <br />Had Carroll's flag measured 2 inches, all hell would have broken loose... <br />

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Carroll was threatened of a 6 month suspension, because she had make the Canadian team "sick". I am sure Prospal wan't in anyway threatened for his "f...f" comment. <br /> <br />The sight of the Quebec flag makes Canadians "sick". <br /> <br />Anyway, Dave Johnson had to apoligize and here are, word for word, his sarcastic apology : <br /> <br /> «I love Quebec, I love poutine and Montreal’s smoked meat, there you go ». <br /> <br />Wow! I hope the ROC won't come up with this quote in their next "we love Quebec" show. <br /> <br /> <br />

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Just like Gaulois and other federalist told me : blind spots. Caroll was not allowed to display her provincial flag and Lemay-Doan was. Double standards, double standards, double standards...The reason is that the Quebec flag makes Canada vomit. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Double standards, double standards, double standards, it is not the size or the shape of the flag that matters, it is the principle of WAVING A PROVINCIAL FLAG. Saskatchewan 1; Quebec 0. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Speaking of double standards . . . <br /> <br />Since when does a Separatist consider the Quebec flag as a 'Provincial' flag? <br /> <br />And Ed's point still stands. A flag flown above, in the centre or to the right of another flag is considered the more important. It's in the federal rules on flag protocol. The Canadian flag must be flown 6" or 20 cm above, in the centre or on the right (when facing) if it is flown with any other provincial or the flag of another nation. If the Canadian flag is flown with a flag from another nation, the provincial flag must be on it's left, and the flag of the other nation on the right. <br /> <br />Therefore, to a patriotic Canadian such as myself, flying the Quebec flag, alone, at an internationl event expresses that flag as representing a nation. It would have been no different had any other provincial flag been flown, alone, at an internation event. <br />

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[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Just like Gaulois and other federalist told me : blind spots. Caroll was not allowed to display her provincial flag and Lemay-Doan was. Double standards, double standards, double standards...The reason is that the Quebec flag makes Canada vomit. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] <br />Double standards, double standards, double standards, it is not the size or the shape of the flag that matters, it is the principle of WAVING A PROVINCIAL FLAG. Saskatchewan 1; Quebec 0. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Speaking of double standards . . . <br /> <br />Since when does a Separatist consider the Quebec flag as a 'Provincial' flag? <br /> <br />And Ed's point still stands. A flag flown above, in the centre or to the right of another flag is considered the more important. It's in the federal rules on flag protocol. The Canadian flag must be flown 6" or 20 cm above, in the centre or on the right (when facing) if it is flown with any other provincial or the flag of another nation. If the Canadian flag is flown with a flag from another nation, the provincial flag must be on it's left, and the flag of the other nation on the right. <br /> <br />Therefore, to a patriotic Canadian such as myself, flying the Quebec flag, alone, at an internationl event expresses that flag as representing a nation. It would have been no different had any other provincial flag been flown, alone, at an internation event. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />You have your own diagnostic, doctor, and we have ours. And your diagnostic won't help the unity of your country at all. <br /> <br />

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And one more thing, doctor, if Canada sees Quebec as a province like all others, what is the big fuss?????

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Cher Ed, toi qui est libéral dans la plus belle tradition trudeauesque, savais-tu que le gros Coderre et la Robillard ont condamné ce geste de Dave Johnson? <br /> <br />On est libéral, ou bien on l'est pas, hein? <br /> <br />Toi, tu es anti-québécois.

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<br />Ed and Doctor, I have another picture of Catriona here. Looks to me that she wasn't even thinking whether her right arm was lower than her left, or vice-versa. <br /> <br />http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Index/nouvelles/200212/11/008-carroll-natation-canada.shtml

[Dr Caleb]

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] And one more thing, doctor, if Canada sees Quebec as a province like all others, what is the big fuss?????[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Because that act (Flying a Provincial flag over the Maple Leaf) cheapens the Canadian flag. <br /> <br />It is a symbol of Canada, and respect for it only strengthens Canadian unity. <br />

[Ed King]

[QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] Cher Ed, toi qui est libéral dans la plus belle tradition trudeauesque, savais-tu que le gros Coderre et la Robillard ont condamné ce geste de Dave Johnson? <br /> <br />On est libéral, ou bien on l'est pas, hein? <br /> <br />Toi, tu es anti-québécois. [/QUOTE]<BR><BR>So, by your reasoning, you also think that the 1995 referendum was lost because of money and ethnic votes, right? Right?<BR><BR>On est péquiste, ou bien on l'est pas, hein?

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[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] [QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] And one more thing, doctor, if Canada sees Quebec as a province like all others, what is the big fuss?????[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Because that act (Flying a Provincial flag over the Maple Leaf) cheapens the Canadian flag. <br /> <br />It is a symbol of Canada, and respect for it only strengthens Canadian unity. <br />[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Check the picture I just sent you. Looks like the Saskatchewan flag doesn't in any way cheapen the Canadian flag. <br /> <br />Saskatchewan 2; Quebec 0. <br />

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[QUOTE BY= Ed King] [QUOTE BY= Delenda Carthago] Cher Ed, toi qui est libéral dans la plus belle tradition trudeauesque, savais-tu que le gros Coderre et la Robillard ont condamné ce geste de Dave Johnson? <br /> <br />On est libéral, ou bien on l'est pas, hein? <br /> <br />Toi, tu es anti-québécois. [/QUOTE]<BR><BR>So, by your reasoning, you also think that the 1995 referendum was lost because of money and ethnic votes, right? Right?<BR><BR>On est péquiste, ou bien on l'est pas, hein?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Je ne fais pas de démagogie, fais-en pas toi non plus. <br />