[Kory Yamashita]

lesouris, the link doesn't work... I tried fixing it but the site seems to be down presently, perhaps only temporarily.

[N Say]

we should keep 10 provinces; vermont should get added onto quebec

[gaulois]

Hmmm??? Don't think this is a good idea.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= N Say] we should keep 10 provinces; vermont should get added onto quebec[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Think Vermont <b>could</b> be a province, but if U.S. states joined Canada, we'd have to re-draw the ridings or simply not base ridings on population as much so the bigger U.S. population wouldn't swamp our political culture. <br /> <br />That might be too complicated, so if they joined Quebec, more reason to keep Quebec in Canada, that part of Quebec territory would clearly be want to be partitioned if it separated. <br /> <br />This being said, it would add a lot of people to Quebec's province, so it would throw the political culture in Canada and Quebec provincially for a loop.

[Guest]

<br />[QUOTE]That might be too complicated, so if they joined Quebec, more reason to keep Quebec in Canada, that part of Quebec territory would clearly be want to be partitioned if it separated.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Good! Another reason to be sovereign and quick! We have already been annexed in 1840, in 1867. No more annexation for us. <br /> <br />Move Vermont to Ontario, or to BC, for all I care. <br /> <br />[QUOTE]This being said, it would add a lot of people to Quebec's province, so it would throw the political culture in Canada and Quebec provincially for a loop.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Read : it would erase francophonie in Canada. Sorry Perturbed, you won`t see that in a million years. <br /> <br />

[KevinGagnon]

I wonder if they have politicians on their side with this idea?

Kevin

[lesouris]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed] [QUOTE BY= N Say] we should keep 10 provinces; vermont should get added onto quebec[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Think Vermont <b>could</b> be a province, but if U.S. states joined Canada, we'd have to re-draw the ridings or simply not base ridings on population as much so the bigger U.S. population wouldn't swamp our political culture. <br /> <br />That might be too complicated, so if they joined Quebec, more reason to keep Quebec in Canada, that part of Quebec territory would clearly be want to be partitioned if it separated. <br /> <br />This being said, it would add a lot of people to Quebec's province, so it would throw the political culture in Canada and Quebec provincially for a loop.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Vermont should not become part of Quebec if it enters Canada, that would be unfair to everyone in Quebec and Vermont. As for Americans overwelming Canadians in our own country, Vermont's population is the second smallest in the US after Wyoming. It would have the third smallest population amongst Canadian provinces (assuming everyone would stay) after PEI and Newfoundland and Labrador. <br /> <br />Putting that in perspective, Vermont would only get 8-9 seats in the House of Commons (it currently only gets 1 seat in the House of Representatives). Plus, it would probably get 6 seats in the Senate (like that really has an effect on politics anyway, but bringing Vermont into confederation would require a constitutional amendment, and we might as well solve the Senate problem too) based on the Newfoundland precedent.

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE]That might be too complicated, so if they joined Quebec, more reason to keep Quebec in Canada, that part of Quebec territory would clearly be want to be partitioned if it separated. <br /> <br />Good! Another reason to be sovereign and quick! We have already been annexed in 1840, in 1867. No more annexation for us.Move Vermont to Ontario, or to BC, for all I care.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />Quebec was never annexed--it joined confederation. Yeah, I know, the whole British North America thing, well, the French empire had their fun in the sun, and they as well as the British eventually abandoned us all, despite the fact we still have the monarchy. <br /> <br />I don't see wuick separation, nor should you worry about this, I wasn't suggesting it should happen. <br /> <br /> <br />[QUOTE]This being said, it would add a lot of people to Quebec's province, so it would throw the political culture in Canada and Quebec provincially for a loop. <br /> <br />Read : it would erase francophonie in Canada. Sorry Perturbed, you won`t see that in a million years.[/QUOTE] <br /> <br /> <br />I overestimated Vermont's population, but personally I agree, I would rather if it joined, it joined as a separate province or whatever. <br /> <br />This being said, I doubt many people in Vermont would move north and flood Quebec, and they would be outnumbered anyway. and probably move to the West Island. <br /> <br />When the European community adopted open borders of all things, some people predicted that Europeans cultures would disappear and become a jumble, but it didn't happen. I doubt it would here, but I would never want to see the French language disappear, nor does anyone else I know. It's actually quite a healthy language IMO.

[Mr.Can-Euro]

Vermont to become the 11th province? Hmm...wouldn't that get the fascists in Washington angry? I personally wouldn't mind but we would have to make sure 90%-100% of the population is okay with the idea in both Vermont and Canada.

[Captain Flynn]

In the US, Vermont get 2 Sentators like every other state. And US Senators have a alot of power -- the porkbarrelling negotiations means everyone has to get their share. I doubt they get the same advantages in Canada, though they would get a more liberal political culture, medicare etc. <br /> <br />I wonder if they would get equalization payments? I think its mostly dairy and granolas there, but it seems like a propserous place.

[N Say]

so not only does vermont have a relatively small population, it also has a bunch of closet francophones. I don't see what the big problem would be if vermont got added to quebec. there are already a bunch of anglo-only pockets in Quebec like Lennoxville & Sherbrooke (I may be wrong...); I don't think that adding Vermont to Quebec would change a lot. <br /> <br />vermont could also be a province by itself i guess. since it's mostly anglo, with many closet french speakers it could be bilingual like new brunswick instead of officially french (like quebec) or officially anglo like the rest.

[gaulois]

N Say: would you not think it would be up to People in Quebec to figure if Vermont is merged ot nor? The Vermont franco closets are probably much further down the path of assimilation than FHQs and would not see why Quebec would treat them mcu differently. Durham is still a rather large concern in Quebec and must refer you back to your history book. <br /> <br />Let's say the state of Washington would want to split. <br />Don't you think the people in BC should be consulted if they were going to be merged to BC? Could actually be a good Canadian Sovereingty question (with results tabulated per provinces)?

[N Say]

[QUOTE BY= gaulois] N Say: would you not think it would be up to People in Quebec to figure if Vermont is merged ot nor? The Vermont franco closets are probably much further down the path of assimilation than FHQs and would not see why Quebec would treat them mcu differently. Durham is still a rather large concern in Quebec and must refer you back to your history book. <br /> <br />Let's say the state of Washington would want to split. <br />Don't you think the people in BC should be consulted if they were going to be merged to BC? Could actually be a good Canadian Sovereingty question (with results tabulated per provinces)?[/QUOTE] <br /> <br />i don't see why not; i only saw someone say that vermont could be the 11th province, and threw another idea out there. vermont borders quebec and has a fairly small population but a bunch of french-speaking people who are facing assimilation, so joining quebec is just a different possibility. <br /> <br />there's a kind of similar situation with turks & caicos; they could be the 11th province, 4th territory, or get absorbed into nova scotia (that's john hamm's idea)

[lesouris]

[QUOTE BY= Captain Flynn] In the US, Vermont get 2 Sentators like every other state. And US Senators have a alot of power -- the porkbarrelling negotiations means everyone has to get their share. I doubt they get the same advantages in Canada, though they would get a more liberal political culture, medicare etc. <br /> <br />I wonder if they would get equalization payments? I think its mostly dairy and granolas there, but it seems like a propserous place. [/QUOTE] <br /> <br />But Vermont only gets one Represenatative in the House of Reps, that's a total 3 congressmen; as a showed above, Vermont would get 8-9 MPs in the HoC, and possibly upto 6 Senators.

[mac/dief]

Yeah but you're all pretending that everybody in Vermont are necassarily "progressive" or "liberal", ie leftwing. Thats not entirely true and you must realize that just as there are huge contrasts between Canadian and American conservatism, there are also huge contrasts between Canadian and American liberalism. I know it will never happen, there movement is about as strong as the petition in BC to join the U.S., but if Vermont ever did they would definately bring in strong elements of not only American style politics, but also American culture. And what with free trade and globalization and all, we have all of the American culture we need! <br /> <br />If I were Prime Minister, I would except the Turks and Cacaos in as a province, but I would be more reluctant in accepting a U.S. state. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/neutral.gif' alt='Neutral'>