[Perturbed]

Marxists. I thought we already had a permissive society.

[Marcarc]

Canada? A permissive society? I think two years ago Toronto finally let women go topless on beaches but nobody does because the 'moral minority' took to pelting any woman with eggs who tried it. <br /> <br /> I really fail to see how this party is even remotely Marxist. Have you read Marx?

[jj_frap]

I fail to see what Marxism has to do with social liberalism and sexual liberation:<br /> <br /> Vladimir Lenin was a Marxist above virtually all Marxists, and he held views that were very misogynist, very homophobic, and very repressive by the standards of his far more permissive comrades. (And don't get me started on Stalin...It's pathetic that there are still educated leftists who embrace his ideology.)<br /> <br /> Meanwhile, Pim Fortuyn was an immigrant-bashing (Can you blame? Muslim clerics in the Netherlands were calling for his death solely because he was a flamboyantly gay politician. I wouldn't want people who mistreated me personally living in my country.) Thatcherite whose other main claims to fame included being a prominent sociology professor, smoking tons of pot, and being extremely proud about his homosexuality (cool) and promiscuity (not so cool)...

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= jj_frap] I fail to see what Marxism has to do with social liberalism and sexual liberation:<br /> <br /> Vladimir Lenin was a Marxist above virtually all Marxists, and he held views that were very misogynist, very homophobic, and very repressive by the standards of his far more permissive comrades. (And don't get me started on Stalin...It's pathetic that there are still educated leftists who embrace his ideology.)<br /> <br /> Meanwhile, Pim Fortuyn was an immigrant-bashing (Can you blame? Muslim clerics in the Netherlands were calling for his death solely because he was a flamboyantly gay politician. I wouldn't want people who mistreated me personally living in my country.) Thatcherite whose other main claims to fame included being a prominent sociology professor, smoking tons of pot, and being extremely proud about his homosexuality (cool) and promiscuity (not so cool)...[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> I still not buying the Sex Party....perhaps it is liberlism I was critiquing.

[Diogenes]

Who knows? The Sex Party may be on to something.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> http://www.orgonelab.org/wrhistory.htm <br /> <br /> Following is a short descriptive article on Reich and Orgonomy which was recently published. <br /> (Lithigraph, Ashland Oregon, July 1998.)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Wilhelm Reich's Discoveries<br /> by James DeMeo, Ph.D.<br /> <br /> <br /> About 25 years ago, I became intrigued with the writings of the late Dr. Wilhelm Reich on the controversial subjects of "biological energy" and his thesis that blocked emotions and sexual repression led to mental illness and neurosis. I met and studied with some of the scientists who had worked with Reich, experienced the orgone therapy Reich had developed, undertook simple experiments, and eventually became the first student at a mainstream American university to earn a Ph.D. for scientifically testing Reich's ideas.<br /> <br /> For those who don't know, Reich was one of Freud's inner circle -- some say he was being groomed to take over leadership of the International Psychoanalytic Association (IPA) -- but he was ultimately centrifuged out of that organization for his social reform and anti-Nazi work. Historians have since documented the general capitulation of German psychoanalysis to the Nazis, but not so Wilhelm Reich, an Austrian-Ukranian of Jewish background. Freud's early work strongly suggested emotions and sexuality were expressions of a tangible energetic "something", but it was Reich who provided the clearest evidence that the Freudian libido was a real energy, discharged during emotional expression and sexual orgasm.<br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Diogenes] Who knows? The Sex Party may be on to something.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> http://www.orgonelab.org/wrhistory.htm <br /> <br /> Following is a short descriptive article on Reich and Orgonomy which was recently published. <br /> (Lithigraph, Ashland Oregon, July 1998.)<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Wilhelm Reich's Discoveries<br /> by James DeMeo, Ph.D.<br /> <br /> <br /> About 25 years ago, I became intrigued with the writings of the late Dr. Wilhelm Reich on the controversial subjects of "biological energy" and his thesis that blocked emotions and sexual repression led to mental illness and neurosis. I met and studied with some of the scientists who had worked with Reich, experienced the orgone therapy Reich had developed, undertook simple experiments, and eventually became the first student at a mainstream American university to earn a Ph.D. for scientifically testing Reich's ideas.<br /> <br /> For those who don't know, Reich was one of Freud's inner circle -- some say he was being groomed to take over leadership of the International Psychoanalytic Association (IPA) -- but he was ultimately centrifuged out of that organization for his social reform and anti-Nazi work. Historians have since documented the general capitulation of German psychoanalysis to the Nazis, but not so Wilhelm Reich, an Austrian-Ukranian of Jewish background. Freud's early work strongly suggested emotions and sexuality were expressions of a tangible energetic "something", but it was Reich who provided the clearest evidence that the Freudian libido was a real energy, discharged during emotional expression and sexual orgasm.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> So you find it surprising that a pervert like Sigmund Freud and other Jews he worked with were anti-Nazi? They had to be. Anyway our country already had a sexual revolution.

[Diogenes]

I have seen the charge of <br /> "racist" leveled at you. <br /> I now understand why

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Diogenes] I have seen the charge of <br /> "racist" leveled at you. <br /> I now understand why[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Sigmund Freud was a very sick individual indeed. Smart but disturbed. Sex played an obscenely large role in his thinking.<br /> <br /> I was simply saying that it wasn't exactly shocking that his group would be anti-Nazi.<br /> <br />

[Diogenes]

Do you have some hang ups about sex?<br /> <br /> It is my understanding that in the time Freud, Victorian, wasn’t it?, sexual repression was so extreme that it is rumored table legs had to be covered because them might cause “naughty” thoughts.<br /> Wilhelm Reich a then disciple of Freud postulated it was sexual repression that caused aberrated behaviors.<br /> And if you believe sex played an obscene role in Freud’s though god know what you think of this:<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sex_in_India <br /> <br /> http://www.hermes-press.com/reich.htm <br /> <br /> http://www.word-power.co.uk/catalogue/0374504016 <br /> <br /> http://www.orgonelab.org/gardner.htm <br />

[Perturbed]

[QUOTE BY= Diogenes] Do you have some hang ups about sex?<br /> <br /> It is my understanding that in the time Freud, Victorian, wasn’t it?, sexual repression was so extreme that it is rumored table legs had to be covered because them might cause “naughty” thoughts.<br /> Wilhelm Reich a then disciple of Freud postulated it was sexual repression that caused aberrated behaviors.<br /> And if you believe sex played an obscene role in Freud’s though god know what you think of this:<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sex_in_India <br /> <br /> http://www.hermes-press.com/reich.htm <br /> <br /> http://www.word-power.co.uk/catalogue/0374504016 <br /> <br /> http://www.orgonelab.org/gardner.htm <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Interesting ideas...and I'll read those link when I'm not so sleepy.....Freud used to be in my good books, then he was not anymore....we'll see...

[Diogenes]

Yer starting to scare me Perturbed, Yer being reasonable LOL<br /> I have never had faith in psychiatry although there must be a couple of the that have their heads on straight <br /> Szasz (sic) RD Laing angain (sic)<br /> Siggy got into the dummy dust (cocaine to you) to the point where he burnt out the Cartilage in his nasal passages <br /> That boy did have a habit<br /> I desinged and made little silver garden type spades for guy like him to shovel that shit in<br /> Now THAT's perverted LOL<br /> <br />

[carolgreen616]

being extremely proud about his homosexuality (cool) and promiscuity (not so cool)...