[michou]

[QUOTE BY= dino] <a href="http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20051022/quebec_referendum_poll_051022/20051022?hub=TopStories">un sondage que j'aime! </a> [/QUOTE]<br /> I don't know why you're so pleased dino. Ever since I've been a member at Vive, you've always clamored that if Québécers were asked a 'straight' question about separation, only 30 % would vote 'yes'. <br /> The poll analysis you've just posted mentions that this number is now at 43 % (oopsie !) <br /> But if you want to keep using the 30 % figure, be my guest but use it for second generation neo-Québécers, also known as "the children of Bill 101". That's right dino. Thirty percent of immigrant's children born in Québec favor its independence from Canada. (two oopsies !!!)

[samuel]

And this, considering the millions of stolen taxpayer money wasted on federalist propaganda, certainly shouldn't be glossed over:<br /> <br /> "The poll also shows there has been little change in Quebecers' feelings towards Canada since their province came within a hair's breadth of separating."

[Dino]

Samuel my point of putting that up is that 43% is nothing. <br /> <br /> What are you going to do form a country with 43% of the vote? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'> <br /> <br /> And I'm not surprised people opinions haven't changed since 1995 because NOTHING has even changed since 1995!!!

[gaulois]

Dino:<br /> <br /> I use to have these huge fights with Samuel over this forum. The more you try to make the case against sovereingty, the weaker the case gets IMHO. Kinda like the GG talking about breaking the solitudes... There are certain matters that are much better left alone. <br /> Separation is definitely one of them.<br /> <br /> I am absolutely convinced that the more the ROC irritates Québécois, the more likely they will separate. I am also convinced that if you entrust them (i.e. do not irritate them over not separating), they will not separate. It is that simple. Do you really want more Laurier, Trudeau and Chrétien??? In my warped mind, these three should be admired by hardcore separatists for making their case so obvious.<br /> <br /> Hope this helps putting things in perspective.

[michou]

Au-delà des pourcentages du pour ou du contre l'indépendance du Québec, le sondage du Globe and Mail révèle une donnée que j'ai trouvé des plus intéressantes. <br /> <br /> <i>That said, the Canadian voting public appears sanguine about the possibility of a breakup, with 76 per cent telling pollsters they'd be willing to negotiate a new partnership with an independent Quebec.</i><br /> <br /> source : <b><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051022.wxpoll1022/BNStory/National/">October 22, 2005 -- Saturday's Globe and Mail</a></b><br /> <br /> Après les résultats serrés du référendum de 1995, le Québec et les Québécois ont été diffamés à travers les médias Canadiens. Il aura donc fallu 10 années pour que face à l'inévitable, les Canadiens en viennent à raisonner et à tempérer leurs émotions.

[samuel]

[QUOTE BY= michou] Au-delà des pourcentages du pour ou du contre l'indépendance du Québec, le sondage du Globe and Mail révèle une donnée que j'ai trouvé des plus intéressantes. <br /> <br /> <i>That said, the Canadian voting public appears sanguine about the possibility of a breakup, with 76 per cent telling pollsters they'd be willing to negotiate a new partnership with an independent Quebec.</i><br /> <br /> source : <b><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20051022.wxpoll1022/BNStory/National/">October 22, 2005 -- Saturday's Globe and Mail</a></b><br /> <br /> Après les résultats serrés du référendum de 1995, le Québec et les Québécois ont été diffamés à travers les médias Canadiens. Il aura donc fallu 10 années pour que face à l'inévitable, les Canadiens en viennent à raisonner et à tempérer leurs émotions.[/QUOTE]<br /> Despite the defiant rhetoric, I have always and still believe Canada would be begging to swiftly and peacefully negotiate. If only to prevent the currency and subsequently the economy from collapsing, but mostly because there is no backbone in Ottawa.

[Dino]

[QUOTE BY= Samuel]<br /> Despite the defiant rhetoric, I have always and still believe Canada would be begging to swiftly and peacefully negotiate. If only to prevent the currency and subsequently the economy from collapsing, but mostly because there is no backbone in Ottawa.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> The currency and economoy wouldn't collapse without Quebec. It's for people like yourself to realize Quebec would have much more to lose by leaving Canada than gain.

[fleur-de-lys]

[QUOTE]The currency and economoy wouldn't collapse without Quebec[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Tant mieux pour vous !<br /> <br /> [QUOTE]It's for people like yourself to realize Quebec would have much more to lose by leaving Canada than gain.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Oh, really ? proof it !

[Dino]

Want proof you have more to lose than gain?<br /> <br /> You will have absolutely no oil for Quebec. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= dino] Want proof you have more to lose than gain?<br /> <br /> You will have absolutely no oil for Quebec. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Québec already imports 90 % of its petrol needs from OUTSIDE Canada. <br /> It may be Halloween dino but your constant rattling of the scarecrow is becoming more and more pathetic. What will you invent next ?

[Dino]

That's complete nonsense. <br /> <br /> If your so certain it gets 90% of it's oil from outside Canada then what country gives it to Quebec? <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/rolleyes.gif' alt='Rolling Eyes'>

[Dino]

Samuel,Michou and Fleur de Lys you should all start being like this man right <a href="http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/2005/10/28/003-bachand-outremont-rb.shtml">here</a><br /> <br /> If a die hard separatist can change so can you all! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[Dr Caleb]

Total nonsense.<br /> <br /> In these tables, there is no mention of Canada being an oil importer. <br /> <br /> http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html<br /> http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/canada.html<br /> http://www.neb-one.gc.ca/energy/OilPipelinesMap_e.htm<br /> http://www.neb-one.gc.ca/energy/GasPipelinesMap_e.htm#top<br />

[Dino]

[QUOTE BY= Dr Caleb] Total nonsense.<br /> <br /> In these tables, there is no mention of Canada being an oil importer. <br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <a href="http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html">www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0922041.html</a><br /> <a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/canada.html">www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/canada.html</a><br /> <a href="http://www.neb-one.gc.ca/energy/OilPipelinesMap_e.htm">www.neb-one.gc.ca/energy/OilPipelinesMap_e.htm</a><br /> <a href="http://www.neb-one.gc.ca/energy/GasPipelinesMap_e.htm#top">www.neb-one.gc.ca/energy/GasPipelinesMap_e.htm#top</a><br /> <br /> I linked them for you! <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'>

[michou]

[QUOTE BY= dino] That's complete nonsense. <br /> <br /> If your so certain it gets 90% of it's oil from outside Canada then what country gives it to Quebec? [/QUOTE]<br /> You should hide those rolling eyes dino. "Pathetic" is bad enough as it is. <br /> <br /> First of all, no one GIVES its oil to Québec. Québec BUYS it like any other nation. <br /> <br /> <b><a href="http://www.mrn.gouv.qc.ca/energie/energie/energie-portrait-petrole.jsp">Importations de pétrole au Québec</a></b><br /> <br /> Les principaux fournisseurs demeurent le Royaume-Uni et la Norvège, avec 44,4 % des importations québécoises. Le reste de l'approvisionnement est fourni surtout par l'Afrique, l'Est canadien et l'Amérique. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br />