[Kevan Taylor]

I can only hope you are joking. I have never read anything quite as twisted and nonsensical as this.<br /> <br /> "Michaelle Jean openly admits that the ethnic cleansing and genocide of English Canadians is the official policy of the (mostly white & English) Canadian government" What is the colour of your sky?

[spooner]

I hope this is satire.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> But I can't quite tell.

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[QUOTE BY= spooner] I hope this is satire.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> But I can't quite tell.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Nope--and you'd better get used to it wise guy <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'> <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/mrgreen.gif' alt='Mr. Green'>

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[QUOTE BY= Kevan Taylor] I can only hope you are joking. I have never read anything quite as twisted and nonsensical as this.<br /> <br /> "Michaelle Jean openly admits that the ethnic cleansing and genocide of English Canadians is the official policy of the (mostly white & English) Canadian government" What is the colour of your sky?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> Why is it newbies get on their high horse? The governor general is interfering in Canadian politics to Canada's detriment <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/exclaim.gif' alt='Exclaimation'>

[Marcarc]

If you think white canadians are in danger then just take a look at a photograph of our Parliament. It seems odd that a group composed almost entirely of white guys, and have been mainly white guys for over a century. As for shooting off her mouth, that's pretty much what governors general have ALWAYS done. In fact it seems pretty obvious to me that when you've got a massive bureaucracy of 'white guys' who oversee every single minute aspect of native life and governance it's pretty hard to dispute that they control natives potential. Of COURSE they've held them back, they are the group most likely to be murdered, alcoholic, imprisoned, impoverished, denied access to jobs, alienated from their resources, and on and on.<br /> <br /> But take heart, like all GG's her term will end, and if this post hadn't been made nobody would have even known about anything she said anyway. <br /> <br /> <br /> PS: Marx never said anything about cultural identity, in fact he presumed that there would be a wide diversity of local cultures expressing their newfound authority. If anything, the LACK of marxism has meant an almost uniformity of cultures as far as work goes-almost all expressing their dislike of employers, lack of opportunities and fear from lack of security.

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[QUOTE BY= Marcarc] If you think white canadians are in danger then just take a look at a photograph of our Parliament. It seems odd that a group composed almost entirely of white guys, and have been mainly white guys for over a century. As for shooting off her mouth, that's pretty much what governors general have ALWAYS done. In fact it seems pretty obvious to me that when you've got a massive bureaucracy of 'white guys' who oversee every single minute aspect of native life and governance it's pretty hard to dispute that they control natives potential. Of COURSE they've held them back, they are the group most likely to be murdered, alcoholic, imprisoned, impoverished, denied access to jobs, alienated from their resources, and on and on.<br /> <br /> But take heart, like all GG's her term will end, and if this post hadn't been made nobody would have even known about anything she said anyway. <br /> <br /> <br /> PS: Marx never said anything about cultural identity, in fact he presumed that there would be a wide diversity of local cultures expressing their newfound authority. If anything, the LACK of marxism has meant an almost uniformity of cultures as far as work goes-almost all expressing their dislike of employers, lack of opportunities and fear from lack of security.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> It's true our parliament is still quite white, but many insist on identifying themselves as say from the "Italian community". This said, yes most are white but remember MPs have no power so that is window dressing, South Africa used to be white-controlled too. I'm not stupid, these so-called "white MPs" have passed largely anti-white, anti-English legislation for over 40 years.<br /> <br /> As for Marx, yeah he at times contradicted himseld--he even at times opposed homosexuality. However, it seems Marx's name has come (culturally at least) to represent the rights of minority cultures and orientations at the expense of majority rights. Many Marxist theorists wrote this way, even if Marx was not one of them.

[spooner]

Is your problem actually with Michaelle Jean, per se, or with the actual position of GG?

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[QUOTE BY= spooner] Is your problem actually with Michaelle Jean, per se, or with the actual position of GG?[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> My problem is with Michaelle Jean, and the agenda she represents and is clearly being used for as a mouthpiece to revise the defintion of what Canada is and the definition of a Canadian citizen and what Canada's culture is--or at least was.<br /> <br /> I have no problem with the position of governor general, as long as governor generals don't abuse their powers....I like the odd reminder of the old Canada, not that the British have much influence over Canadian policy anymore. <br /> <br /> I find it amazing that people can see old institutions like the governor general, The Queen, and not see the contradictions of the Canadian government's policies. If people want to know what Canada is, look at our currency or read our constitution. It isn't that hard to find.<br /> <br />

[Marcarc]

If you're seriously suggesting that South African white MP's have been 'anti white' for forty years, when black people only got a chance to take part in elections ten years ago, I don't think there's a point in even trying to have a debate. That's simply absurd. There is probably no better example of racist, violent, anti minority policy in the british commonwealth.<br /> <br /> Because a guy identitifies himself with an italian community seems irrelevant. I have a feeling that if you crunch the numbers the ones from Great Britain would be in the CLEAR minority, why is THAT minority preferred? There are far more people of french, irish, scottish descent, ie. people who can't stand Britain, than there are from there. Even those from britain by and large left the place to get away from it, certainly not wanting to see it duplicated-it's policies largely left them impoverished and outside the political system.<br /> <br /> The GG is a relic of that, and even though they exercise no power, they CAN if they chose to. The Queen is still 'head of state', and you need only read up, especially at the provincial level, of the many powers that still lie there. As said elsewhere, Mulroney had to go to the Queen in the late eighties to get an addition to the senate. Canada is unique in that it is the only country I know of whose constitution needs to be ratified by a foreign country.<br /> <br /> As for Marx, what does homosexuality have to do with anything? The guy wrote in the 1800's when people were imprisoned for being homosexuals. Pushing for minority rights or expansion of immigration practises, or being 'anti white', has NOTHING to do with Marxism or communism.

[spooner]

[QUOTE BY= Perturbed]<br /> My problem is with Michaelle Jean, and the agenda she represents and is clearly being used for as a mouthpiece to revise the defintion of what Canada is and the definition of a Canadian citizen and what Canada's culture is--or at least was.<br /> <br /> I have no problem with the position of governor general, as long as governor generals don't abuse their powers....I like the odd reminder of the old Canada, not that the British have much influence over Canadian policy anymore. <br /> <br /> I find it amazing that people can see old institutions like the governor general, The Queen, and not see the contradictions of the Canadian government's policies. If people want to know what Canada is, look at our currency or read our constitution. It isn't that hard to find.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Although her political powers are hardly legitimate, I fail to see how 'encouraging Canadian values' goes against her job description. I've yet to see her directly promoting a political party or encouraging views outside the Canadian mainstream.<br /> <br /> I just don't see the problem here.

[Marcarc]

Of course her political powers are legitimate, what does that even mean?

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[QUOTE BY= Marcarc] If you're seriously suggesting that South African white MP's have been 'anti white' for forty years, when black people only got a chance to take part in elections ten years ago, I don't think there's a point in even trying to have a debate. That's simply absurd. There is probably no better example of racist, violent, anti minority policy in the british commonwealth.<br /> <br /> Because a guy identitifies himself with an italian community seems irrelevant. I have a feeling that if you crunch the numbers the ones from Great Britain would be in the CLEAR minority, why is THAT minority preferred? There are far more people of french, irish, scottish descent, ie. people who can't stand Britain, than there are from there. Even those from britain by and large left the place to get away from it, certainly not wanting to see it duplicated-it's policies largely left them impoverished and outside the political system.<br /> <br /> The GG is a relic of that, and even though they exercise no power, they CAN if they chose to. The Queen is still 'head of state', and you need only read up, especially at the provincial level, of the many powers that still lie there. As said elsewhere, Mulroney had to go to the Queen in the late eighties to get an addition to the senate. Canada is unique in that it is the only country I know of whose constitution needs to be ratified by a foreign country.<br /> <br /> As for Marx, what does homosexuality have to do with anything? The guy wrote in the 1800's when people were imprisoned for being homosexuals. Pushing for minority rights or expansion of immigration practises, or being 'anti white', has NOTHING to do with Marxism or communism. [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> <br /> 1 - Regarding MPs over the last 40 years, I was referring to CANADIAN MPs, not South African. You claimed that most of our MPs being white guaranteed they would support their own--but they do not.<br /> <br /> 2 - I think you meant English would be a minority, not British. That said, people immigrating to Canada were not necessarily escaping to get away from English--wuite the opposite.<br /> <br /> My problem Marcarc is those who identify as Italian, Welsh, Irish, Scottish, German or whatever, is that it strips Canada of its nationality. These people who promote dual loyalties are not proud Canadians at all....the idea is that people should come here to be part of something, not to promote their own selfish interests. I have no problem with those who immigrate where from Britain being proud of their birthplace, but their children should see themselves as Canadian.....they should then cease to identify themselves as Welsh or Scottish and simply as Canadian, or even better, "English Canadian", as opposed to English as in the English found in Britain.<br /> <br /> <br /> EVEN NOW, Canadians of British ancestry are a small majority in Toronto, so they must be in the rest of the country. NATURALLY, if they cease to be the majoritu, it is simply a result of an immigration policy designed to elect a "NEW Canada" quite alien from the old one via mass immigration from Asia and Africa.<br /> <br /> When it comes to ANCESTRY, I have no problem with people calling themselves say "Scottish" or if they are new or 1st generation, but after that they should become Canadian and cease to be a bunch of squabbling nationalities. This is possible if we have small numbers of only Eruopean immigrants, but it is not possible if we continue to go down the road we're taking.<br /> <br /> Canada has a distinct dialect of English and French and many regional differences with the distinct versions of those languages. Just as the Australians are not Americans or Kiwis, Canadians are not British or American, they are Canadian and our culture deserves to be respected and recognized.<br /> <br /> <br /> As for Marxism, political correctness was once commonly termed "cultural marxism" perhaps inaccurately as it described the cultural policy of the Soviet Union.<br />

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[QUOTE BY= spooner] [QUOTE BY= Perturbed]<br /> My problem is with Michaelle Jean, and the agenda she represents and is clearly being used for as a mouthpiece to revise the defintion of what Canada is and the definition of a Canadian citizen and what Canada's culture is--or at least was.<br /> <br /> I have no problem with the position of governor general, as long as governor generals don't abuse their powers....I like the odd reminder of the old Canada, not that the British have much influence over Canadian policy anymore. <br /> <br /> I find it amazing that people can see old institutions like the governor general, The Queen, and not see the contradictions of the Canadian government's policies. If people want to know what Canada is, look at our currency or read our constitution. It isn't that hard to find.<br /> [/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> Although her political powers are hardly legitimate, I fail to see how 'encouraging Canadian values' goes against her job description. I've yet to see her directly promoting a political party or encouraging views outside the Canadian mainstream.<br /> <br /> I just don't see the problem here.[/QUOTE]<br /> <br /> You just states the problem. The idea that liberal social ideas imposed on an ungrateful public somehow represent the autocratic notion of "CANADIAN VALUES" IS the problem. Liberalism is not what I value. Nor did many Canadians at the time.<br /> <br /> If liberalism is part of the Canadian mainstream, then it is time to change the mainstream.

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Enlightened words from an anonymous internet poster:<br /> <br /> "At this very moment, our Governor General is spreading the word about diversity and multiculturalism. She is living well and was chosen for this particular purpose, to show all Canadians and the world that Canada is a country which welcomes 'diversity' and Canada will be the poster country to illustrate the success of 'diversity'.<br /> <br /> She is black, and therefore a shining example of how blacks can succeed in our country. She is female, and therefore a shining example of how women can succeed in this country.<br /> <br /> Turn on the news or read a newspaper. What you will see or hear is "minorities can make it in Canada when they work hard", or "girl power".<br /> <br /> You will not hear the truth, and the truth is that White men in Canada have been stripped of their rights in order to make way for multiculturalism/diversity/feminism.<br /> <br /> It is no coincidence that our Governor General is out today and splashed all over the news. This is also the International Day For Women. Go figure.<br /> <br /> And, my White brothers and sisters, you are footing the bill. Your family is paying the price. Your children and their children will pay the price if you do not stand up now and demand an end to this lunacy. <br /> <br /> Welcome to 'diversity'."<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ----Michaelle Jean has been selected by the internationalist elite that runs Canada as their colony to proceed with their final stages of the dismantling and destruction of Canada. The economy sold to China--as well as already ruined American. They are attempting to turn Canada into a mixed-race content to be an underclass to their betters who rule them from afar with gold coming out of their pockets. <br /> <br /> Will the real Canadians give up or overthrow the internationalist slime that poisons their country and are hell bent on dismantling all distinct races and nations, as Marx envisioned more than a century ago There is still time to defeat this God-awful internationalism.<br /> <br /> It must be said that many of these internationalists like Mike Pearson, Trudeau, and the awful international socialists Maurice Strong and Mitchell Sharpe were home grown and hence make us fully responsible for our own plight. <br /> <br />

[Marcarc]

WHen it comes to 'internationalism' this is the furthest thing from being a problem. What 'white rights' are being lost? If you are white and lost your rights then you should be suing and/or reporting it to the Human Rights committee.<br /> <br /> I see nothing wrong with telling minorities and women to 'work hard and you will succeed'. Is the new platform to be "be a lazy welfare bum" or "work hard and you'll still be put out of work when your job goes to China". Now THERE is a nice message.<br /> <br /> When I think globalization, I think of Canada's energy being sucked out to the US, our environment decimated, our jobs lost, people put out of work, people thrown off their land for pipelines, farmers put out of work because of corporate control of agriculture, entire industries being bought by foreign countries then run the cheapest way possible, etc.<br /> <br /> But if you want to focus on 'girl power', that's your business. Right now I'd welcome a LOT more 'international socialism' as opposed to 'international corporatism'.