[Marcarc]

Amen to that, and it's clear why a good many Ontarians, particularly in cities, are still liberal. That these two men even have a political existence shows how corrupt the entire field of canadian politics is. Ontario is now a trainwreck, a shadow of its former self that only holds on to fiscal survival by massive government subsidies in the automotive and R&D sector-and whether that will last remains to be seen. <br /> <br /> But as they say, if you've no kids and no ailments,then you don't want money thrown to the government anyway. I suppose that's the golden rule, those in rural areas expect no help from the government anyway, so see no real value in supporting it-and I suppose they have a point. I really don't have the foggiest idea why he'd pick these so despised characters, it's almost like Harper is thumbing his nose at Ontarians.<br />

[robert drake]

Harper shows his other side:<br /> <br /> Harper refuses to cooperate with the ethics commissioner.<br /> Says he can appoint anyone he wants to a cabinet position.<br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br /> <br /> Emerson and Fortier: the betrayal of democracy <br /> <br /> A story is told of a conversation George Bernard Shaw once had with a young woman at a social reception. At some point, their discourse turned to and Shaw slyly asked her if she would sleep with him for 2,000 British pounds. She pondered the proposition briefly, and then said 'yes.' <br /> Shaw offered a quick rejoinder: would she sleep with him for a mere two pounds? Of course not, she sniffed, "What do you think I am?" <br /> My dear, Shaw replied, we have already established what you are; now we're merely negotiating your price. <br /> <br /> And so it is with David Emerson. British Columbians and Canadians now know what he is; and we know his price. <br /> <br /> P.S.Unlike politicians,whores only sell their bodies and not their souls! <br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> <br /> Mr Emerson <br /> You have shown yourself to be a dishonorable hypocrite by your actions. <br /> You have defrauded the people who put the "X" beside your name on a ballot which is sacred to each and every person living in a democracy. You have betrayed a trust given by your friends, your workers, the Liberal Party of Canada and have shamed your reputation and that of your family. <br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> The of Democracy <br /> <br /> This act strates contempt for the democratic process, and must not be tolerated! <br /> Who does David Emerson think he is! <br /> All those elected to represent the people are accountable to the people! <br /> Ours is the power to hold them to account! <br /> Being 'had' and remaining quiet is a disgrace. Speak out! <br /> <br /> -------------------------------------------------------- <br /> <br /> How can you tell if a politician is lieing? <br /> <br /> Old Version:If his mouth is open and his lips are moving...he's lieing! <br /> New Version: If he's still breathing ...he's lieing! <br /> <br /> Q: Why did the chicken cross over to the other side ? <br /> A: To get a position in cabinet. <br /> <br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> <br /> day after day <br /> alone on the hill <br /> the man with the foolish grin <br /> is keeping perfectly still <br /> and nobody wants to know him <br /> they can see that he's just a fool <br /> they don't like him <br /> the fool on the hill <br /> sees his son going down <br /> and the eyes in his head <br /> see the votes spinning round <br /> <br /> --Beattles <br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> Subject: Politics in the Dominion of Corruption <br /> <br /> <br /> This is totally outrageous! <br /> In his first act as our new PM, Harper disregards/excludes democratically elected representatives and appoints a non-elected <br /> conservative party member (Fortier)to Cabinet. <br /> Where is the justice in this? <br /> This is patronage,nepotism...not democracy. <br /> The Public Works Ministry (this is the same ministry that embezzled millions of taxpayers in the Adscam scandal under the Liberals)is responsible for 40 billion dollars? worth of spending ,and Mr. Fortier as an unelected Minister is not accountable to the electorate of any constituency.Does this seem right to any taxpaying Canadian? Does this seem like deja vu all over again? <br /> <br /> If politicians can get away with this kind of crap they make a mockery/joke of the democratic system.Canadians are tired of seeing people like this in government.We deserve honest and ethical representation from candidates who respect the principles of democracy. <br /> <br /> And it now appears that it was Harper himself who initiated first contact with Emerson and recruited him by bribing him with a cabinet post. <br /> This from a leader who promised us integrity,who said he would clean up the government, restore public trust, bring accountability into governance,and lead us out of the darkness of political corruption.Harper campaigned on accountability and ethics; Even before being sworn in, he has violated the trust of Canadians <br /> <br /> I remember the candidate who came to my doorstep and told me that if I voted Conservative, the scandals of the Liberals would be a thing of the past. He told me that the conservatives would be doing things differently in Ottawa. So stupid me, I believed him, because I wanted to, I was fed up with the Liberals and thought the Harper Government would be honest and ethical. So who is the fool? <br /> ME THINKS IT IS ME. <br /> <br /> <br /> No wonder people are so cynical about politics and about politicians! <br /> Think of how someone who voted for the first time is thinking....why bother!!! What's the reason for elections if one individual can be "annointed" minister without being elected (Fortier in Quebec) and another one, by his defecation --er defection to the conservatives one day after being elected as a liberal (Emerson in BC)?How is this democratic? Why vote? <br /> What good did voting do the 82% of Kingsway constituants who voted AGAINST the Conservative party. How does David Emerson represent the people of Vancouver-Kingsway?It seems its wrong for voters to stuff the ballot box, but okay for candidates to steal their constituent's votes! <br /> The Conservatives and Emerson have blatantly strated that they don't care how the constituents in Vancouver Kingsway voted. They have told them they know better by essentially changing the vote and thumbing their nose at the democratic process. <br /> I am enbarassed to be part of the Canadian "democratic"system if this <br /> can happen.How do we explain the importance of voting to our children? What do we tell them now? <br /> <br /> If it isn't unlawful(it seems that bribery is illegal for some and not for others),it certainly is immoral;and it ought to be illegal also. <br /> <br /> Harper has blatantly admitted that he was the one who initiated contact with Emerson and lured him with the promise/bribe of a cabinet post.Mr. Emerson himself has publicly admitted that Mr. Harper offered him incentives to betray his constituents. <br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> It's a matter of ethics <br /> <br /> Mr. Emerson may have many talents ,but he is unscrupulous and immoral ! How are we "better served" by having an immoral person serving us? <br /> How does immoral behaviour serve the public "good"---the good of the country? <br /> The most important qualification for leadership is a high standard of morality! Other qualities (such as expertise in business) by comparison are peripheral. <br /> <br /> This is not a matter of right or left, but rather a matter of right or Wrong! <br /> <br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> subject: Why they just don't get it! <br /> <br /> How is it that someone described as gifted and bright, would not understand the enormous error he has made?Can't see his behavior as a betrayal of Democracy? <br /> When a person has neither conscience nor any sense of morality,and they are directed/motivated exclusively by self-interest and career advancement (at any cost),it is difficult for them to know that what they are doing is wrong! No wonder David Emerson doesn't understand why his constituents are so angry and outraged. <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> <br /> On election night, Emerson said: " ... this is the first step in the long road back to a Conser.... ah errrr Liberal Majority." <br /> It was a set up! We been played people.Are we going to accept this? <br /> <br /> Quote: <br /> Ha ha. What do you think of my political move? Wasn't I astute? Had I run for the Conservatives, I wouldn't have been elected in this predominantly Liberal riding. So I got elected using Liberal votes and made the switch. Ain't I a genius! Do I know politics...or what? I deserve to be a minister. ME-- (the chosen one)---a political out for the highest bid! <br /> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <br /> <br /> <br /> There is one Conservative MP with backbone, go see his website: <br /> www.garth.ca <br /> http://www.garth.ca/weblog/ <br /> <br /> He may be persona non grata to the Harper inner circle but he is one of the only Conservatives with this so called integrity Harper promised! <br /> <br /> If there are any other honest politicians out there, let them stand up and speak out now! This is not the time for a person of principles to maintain a low profile.Silence is complicity! <br /> You don't need to know all the ins and outs of political and legal process to know that this is a betrayal of the public trust,a betrayal of democracy, and just plain Wrong! If you see nothing wrong with this then you are not worthy of representing anyone. <br /> Do the right thing! <br /> Stand up and fight for Democracy! <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> If Stephen Harper does not get rid of David Emerson, the life expectancy of the Conservative government will be very short and they will soundly lose the next election. <br /> David Emerson is no longer an asset to the Conservatives;he is a liability! <br /> <br /> Or, is Emerson the Liberal's "Trojan Horse"? If Stephen Harper's actions are found to be unethical also, then Emerson may end up being a sacrificial truth teller -- that he is indeed Stephen Harper's worst nightmare! <br />

[badsector]

Since some members of Ontario's shameful Harris the Hatchet regime are now in Harper's cabinet, let's remember what kind of people served in Harris' controversial government.<br /> <br /> Let's remember John Snobelen! The high school dropout who was designated Minister of Education by Mike Harris! He wrecked Ontario's education system and was dumb enough to publicly acknowledge why. He said, their purpose was to create a crises in the system so they can interfere and "fix it". I guess he heard this on a cabinet meeting and didn't realize that some things there were not for the public ears. One of the highlights of thei school "funding formula" for Toronto was to include school corridors and even washrooms in "classroom" spaces to prove that they give enough money...<br /> <br /> How about energy minister Chris Stockwell? He was the henchman for wrecking and privatizing Ontario Hydro. The result was skyrocketing hudro prices. Some people got monthly bills exceeding $1000. Businesses had to close because they couldn't keep the lights on. Chris Stockwell's handling of the crises: every morning he announced what temperature home owners should set their air conditioners to. He didn't understand that most home owners couldn't even turn their ACs on...<br /> <br /> Hey, how about minister of health Tony Clement, our new federal minister of health? Countless people died under his watch because they closed way too many hospitals. It became common occurrance that patients died in the ambulance because no hospitals could take them. In the hospitals, even the walkways were full of critical patients. It was a shame, yet no criminal charges were laid. There should have been.<br /> <br /> Finance minister Earnie Eves (of Desctruction) and the next finance minister Jim Flaherty. They wrecked the province's infrastructure by leaving it in a complete state of disrepair, yet when the tory governmetn was kicked the Hell out, we still had a $9 billion deficit AND the enxt massive tax cut was scheduled after the election (cancelled by the Liberal government).<br /> <br /> These people don't care about the country or province they lead. They only have loyalty to their business pals and their sole purpose is to raid the treasury. They are con artists. They should be in jail, not in government.

[robert drake]

<b>Immorality is so endemic in politics that even the ethics commissioner thinks it's okay!</b><br /> <br /> <br /> Ethics commissioner validates Emerson's behavior <br /> Emerson and Harper did nothing wrong! <br /> Ethics commissioner says no breach of politician's code of ethics. <br /> Nothing criminal or immoral here. <br /> The rules allow this behavior in the game of politics. <br /> <br /> We're all just naive about how politics works. <br /> <br /> It is a game of chicanery in wch the players are not persons of principle and honour. In the game of politics the lust for power and personal advancement trumps all other considerations! <br /> <br /> For those of us who were expecting some honesty and integrity in politics...GET OVER IT! <br /> <br /> <br /> <b>chicane </b>A noun <br /> -- trickery, chicanery, chicane, guile, wile, shenanigan <br /> <br /> the use of tricks to deceive someone <br /> <br /> ╚wrongdoing; wrongful conduct; misconduct; actus reus <br /> ╚falsification; misrepresentaation <br /> ╚deception; deceit; dissembling; dissimulation <br /> ╚trickery, chicanery, chicane, guile, wile, shenanigan <br /> ╚jugglery <br /> ╚fraud; fraudulence; dupery; hoax; <br /> <br /> But if our political leaders are not persons of honour and are not responsive to the will of the people perhaps they do not deserve to be honoured but rather despised!

[robert drake]

<br /> <br /> Ethics commissioner Shapiro ignores the facts and accepts Emerson's explanation that his double-cross was motivated not by personal gain but by his desire to do what was best for his constituents. <br /> <br /> Shapiro says that unless morality is legislated (entrenched in law),politicians (and it would seem ethics commissioners) don't know the difference between right and wrong!