Perturbed
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Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 6:15 pm
[QUOTE BY= Roy_Whyte] [QUOTE BY= Samuel] The problem, Roy Whyte, is that immigrants are granted a PRIVILEGE to ADOPT and PARTICIPATE in Canada's cultural heritage while maintaining theirs, not the other way around. You're from BC, you should know English has become a minority language in some urban centers in Canada for Christ's sake. What the hell is that all about, I suppose that too makes you a proud multiculturalist? Irresponsible people like you in positions of power have abused immigration and allowed these people to hijack Canada's society with their lousy management of immigration. Goddamned Liberals and liberal minded saps.<br />
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Go to <b><a href="http://www.immigration-quebec.gouv.qc.ca/francais/index.html">Immigration Québec</a></b>, the ONE unavoidable prerequisite for an immigrant is:<br />
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<i>You, and your spouse, if applicable, must have foremost knowledge of French. The assessment of your immigration application will take into account your schooling, experience and knowledge of French.</i><br />
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I couldn't find such a prerequisite at Immigration Canada. That, of course, would of prevented Liberals from flooding the country with unmanaged immigrants prior to elections. Now they're in, don't speak a word of English and you've got RCMP officers wearing<br />
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Call me a liberal if you like, if being a liberal means being compassionate and open minded - I don't mind one iota.<br />
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When it comes to languages think it through now - all institutions in Canada deal in French or English. If they refuse to learn either, they will make lives harder for themselves. For those about to jump on that and say -wait they offer translation services etc. Why yes they do, and it makes for employment paid for by the very immigrants' taxation on their earnings while being here. Beyond that, knowing more than one language is an asset. I am trying my best to learn Cantonese, Tagalog and Mandarin, not because those around me are in larger numbers speaking those languages, but because it makes me a better person, expands my horizons, and increases the likelyhood that my future worth will be vastly increased as with any accumulated knowledge.<br />
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Not one person here has bothered to even to try to explain just what white culture is, what Canadian culture is, and who is the overall judge of what both of those are? Without that as even the starting point of your arguments, how can you base all the extra extrapulations you are making on anything sound?<br />
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It's human nature to resist change, I acknowledge that. Same with the heritage aspect. But heritage is what we make of it. We are creating a new heritage in our nation by the inclusion of other people. 200 years from now Canada will still exist. It's face will be a multi-cultural one, and save for the references in the history books of the day, events such as the arguments we are having will be just a memory.<br />
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You know if I was of the First Nations and I was reading this thread I would be irate. They had many different thriving cultures long before the white man showed up, and still do. So why should the conqueror's culture make for the sole basis of the nation? We certainly would be up in arms if any country today invaded another then dictated that the former must adhere to the occupiers cultural/ethnic etc aspects of how things are going to be. Might does not make right, though sadly in Canada, it pretty much has.<br />
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Neither has my question of asking for quantifiable evidence of any degredation of Canadian society been answered. Sikhs being able to wear turbans instead of stetsons in the RCMP, or ESL classes hardly qualify as country destroying events. The RCMP still exists, and school kids are still learning. <br />
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[QUOTE]immigrants are granted a PRIVILEGE to ADOPT and PARTICIPATE in Canada's cultural heritage while maintaining theirs, not the other way around.[/QUOTE]<br />
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That is at least an intelligent thought, but it does not answer what Canada's cultural heritage is. Who's heritage? Who decides and why? All over the first world heritage is constantly changing. History as we see in our argument is but a blip in the larger context of time. Europeans have seen their borders shift, and with that also the movements of people of various cultural and ethnic backgrounds throughout their histories. THAT makes for their current heritage as it stands now. Or maybe Germany for instance should still worship Wodan or Donar and call for blood sacrifice and base all their current laws and regulations on those? See the absurdity of that? With time their culture changed - Germany still exists does it not!<br />
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Simply put - things change - get used to it.[/QUOTE]<br />
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Nice try Roy. You speak out against using force but our government has done just that. They have forced multiculturalism down our throats. You tell us to get used to change but we will never get used to forced change. Nice try.<br />
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I would try to explain what white culture is, what Canadian culture is, but Susan would get mad at me so I refrain as it is her site. <img align=absmiddle src='images/smilies/wink.gif' alt='Wink'> <br />
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"True nations are united by blood and soil, language, literature, history, faith, tradition and memory". -
-Patrick J. Buchanan