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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 10:53 am
 


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Yes, but you'll vote Liberal anyway


I'll probobly vote liberal but as a strategic vote...conservatives don't deserve majority government and voting NDP seems like a waste of a vote





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Yes, but you'll vote Liberal anyway


I'll probobly vote liberal but as a strategic vote...conservatives don't deserve majority government and voting NDP seems like a waste of a vote


save it...

You would vote for anything that was wearing a red sweater...Image


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:06 am
 


voting liberal will surely be a waste.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:09 am
 


I don't know what the conservatives have to offer, I sure didn't see any changes since they have been elected....once again a disappointment.





PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:14 am
 


cheryl08 cheryl08:
I don't know what the conservatives have to offer, I sure didn't see any changes since they have been elected....once again a disappointment.


Should have given them a majority than they could have gotten even more done .

it takes more than 2.5 years to fix 13 years of disasters the Liberal party left behind.

All of Toronto will vote strategically to keep the Conservatives from a majority. :roll:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:19 am
 


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Should have given them a majority than they could have gotten even more done .

it takes more than 2.5 years to fix 13 years of disasters the Liberal party left behind.

All of Toronto will vote strategically to keep the Conservatives from a majority.


Either way, you've got a liberal senate and a conservative house of commons....good luck with that
You didn't answer the question; what policies make the conservative government so great that they deserve majority





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cheryl08 cheryl08:
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Should have given them a majority than they could have gotten even more done .

it takes more than 2.5 years to fix 13 years of disasters the Liberal party left behind.

All of Toronto will vote strategically to keep the Conservatives from a majority.


Either way, you've got a liberal senate and a conservative house of commons....good luck with that
You didn't answer the question; what policies make the conservative government so great that they deserve majority


They cut taxes and got tough on crime which were election promises. They are also the only National party of Canada unlike the Liberals who garner their support from pockets in the east. The Liberal party ...the true Separation Party of Canada.


Liberal senate! so that means we should just vote Liberal anyway?

Time for some major senate changes as well.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:29 am
 


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They cut taxes and got tough on crime which were election promises. They are also the only National party of Canada unlike the Liberals who garner their support from pockets in the east. The Liberal party ...the true Separation Party of Canada.


Ya they cut taxes....i wonder for who...big corporations who buy in bulk and would appreciate a discount. But to the regular citizen, what difference does one percent make on groceries or clothing. Goods and services tax cost citizens maybe an average of $5 a purchase but it produces millions of dollars that could be used for some much needed services and aid the transportation system that has citizens paying $3 a ticket.

I will agree with you with their standpoint on crime however.





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They cut taxes and got tough on crime which were election promises. They are also the only National party of Canada unlike the Liberals who garner their support from pockets in the east. The Liberal party ...the true Separation Party of Canada.


Ya they cut taxes....i wonder for who...big corporations who buy in bulk and would appreciate a discount. But to the regular citizen, what difference does one percent make on groceries or clothing. Goods and services tax cost citizens maybe an average of $5 a purchase but it produces millions of dollars that could be used for some much needed services and aid the transportation system that has citizens paying $3 a ticket.

I will agree with you with their standpoint on crime however.


you better do some more homework ..

http://www.thestar.com/article/266503

Dion promises to cut taxes.

fter election-style address, Liberal leader dodges questions about throne speech tactics
Oct 13, 2007 04:30 AM
Linda Diebel
Staff Reporter

Federal Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion yesterday gave an election-style speech in Toronto, promising to cut corporate taxes and accusing the Conservative government of ignoring poverty in Canada.

He said next week's Speech from the Throne "must include" a plan to fight poverty, adding: "I tell you, it will be at the heart of a Liberal agenda."

But later, Dion dodged questions about whether his caucus would vote against the throne speech if Prime Minister Stephen Harper ignores the Liberal list of priorities.

In his speech to the Economic Club of Toronto, Dion accused Harper of forgetting about Canada's "weakest and most vulnerable," asserting that poverty today is "a reality that mocks the prosperity known by most of our people."

More than a million children live in poverty, he said, and "we cannot waste a generation."

Further, more than half a million seniors are poor and the "men and women who build this country deserve better."

While a business crowd of about 400 applauded his remarks, they saved their cheers for his pledge to lower the corporate tax rate from the current 18.5 per cent, if elected prime minister.

"The world does not owe Canada a living. For a richer, fairer, greener Canada, we need to create a Canadian corporate advantage," Dion said, speaking amidst buzz of a potential fall election.

"We need a more competitive Canada," he concluded to a standing ovation.

The Liberal leader, relaxed and joking, told his audience he doesn't think they want a fall election.

"Three federal elections in three and a half years, on top of all the provincial elections ... would be unreasonable."

Dion said he hopes Harper will present "a reasonable" throne speech "befitting a minority government."

In a scrum following his speech, Dion defined reasonable as meeting four Liberal priorities: fighting poverty; clarifying the Canadian role in Afghanistan; and setting strong economic and environmental policy. He said Harper's announcement yesterday of a special panel to study Canada's role "should not stop the Conservatives from informing NATO that our combat mission on Kandahar will end in February 2009."

Pressed on how his caucus will vote on measures in the throne speech, Dion would say only he will have to study it.

He declined to say what the new corporate tax rate might be, noting he's saving that announcement for an election campaign. Canada's rate is already some 20-points lower than in the U.S., where the corporate tax rate stands at 39 per cent.

The presence of Dion's wife, Janine Krieber, and several Liberal MPs from the GTA added to the event's election feel.

"Some would say that a cut in corporate taxes is a right-wing policy," he said. "I'm sure my friend (NDP Leader) Jack Layton will say this." But, he continued, "to believe this is to believe that Sweden, with its low corporate tax rate, is a hot bed of neo-conservatism, while the United States, with its very high corporate taxes, is a socialist paradise."



I really like the last paragraph :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:11 pm
 


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I think Dion is trying to lead his campaign in a completely different direction from the priorities that Canadian citizens have right now.
Canadians want to see some changes in the economy and social policy, I don't think environmental taxes are what the country needs at the moment. Gas prices are already drilling holes in peoples pockets, i don't think that they need to be higher.
And it's slightly hypocritical to try and promote a greener Canada when you have the west drilling oil and being one of the largest exporters of oil in the world

Carbon tax.....I'm just not buying it
The Liberal party needs a new leader.


A country is citizens in a long-term (sustainable) relationship to their environment.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:26 pm
 


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A country is citizens in a long-term (sustainable) relationship to their environment.


The environment is an important issue but not at the expense of the economy. Not even Jack Layton, the poster boy for environmental issues, is on board


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A country is citizens in a long-term (sustainable) relationship to their environment.


The environment is an important issue but not at the expense of the economy. Not even Jack Layton, the poster boy for environmental issues, is on board


Etymologically, "oikos" is the Greek root of both economy and ecology. House is what it means and household management is the evolution the term took over time. Through education we know it will be possible to put back economy and ecology together so that the meaning of both terms return to their original root and so we can finally manage our house with consideration for the three pillars of sustainability.

http://www.oikos.tyfasd.org/oikos_w/sit ... Section=16


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:00 pm
 


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I spend about US$70 per week on gas now. I'll say that it isn't bothering me so much in that traffic is noticeably lighter on the roads lately and due to that my mileage is higher and my commute time is about half or even less of what it had been six months ago.

I'd support an increase in gas taxes now because it would get even more low income people off the roads and onto public transit where they belong thus freeing up the roads for people who can afford to drive and pay taxes to subsidize public transit.

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Can't wait to see the liberal reaction to that! :lol:


then I guess you'll love Dion's green shift :lol:


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:10 pm
 


cheryl08 cheryl08:
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They cut taxes and got tough on crime which were election promises. They are also the only National party of Canada unlike the Liberals who garner their support from pockets in the east. The Liberal party ...the true Separation Party of Canada.


Ya they cut taxes....i wonder for who...big corporations who buy in bulk and would appreciate a discount. But to the regular citizen, what difference does one percent make on groceries or clothing. Goods and services tax cost citizens maybe an average of $5 a purchase but it produces millions of dollars that could be used for some much needed services and aid the transportation system that has citizens paying $3 a ticket.

I will agree with you with their standpoint on crime however.


Since when do corporations pay GST? Businesses charge GST then the minus off what they pay in GST and the remained goes to the government. It's basicly a flow through.

The GST cuts probably weren't the most effective way to cut taxes but people in lower to mid income levels are the true beneficiaries.

Do you think joe rich guy gives a sh*# about the GST when he is buying a luxury car or a million dollar home? If he all ready has enough cash to be buying those things in the first place I can bet he really doesn't think twice about the GST. For someone in a lower income bracket the difference between a 5% and a 7% GST can mean the difference of getting that new home that he wants or settling for something less or perhaps getting the approval for the car loan he needs to buy that hybrid so he can be green just like the Liberals want us to be.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 6:21 pm
 


that's not the point, GST is a flat tax meaning that people with higher incomes tend to buy more things and therefore pay more GST. And being part of a mid-income family i really don't see how an extra (3 bucks max.) pocket of change is gonna make a difference. I would say lower income families would prefer an increase in these taxes because it's better to have efficient social services that an extra two dollars. This extra revenue could go towards health care, transportation and child care; things that they can't afford on their own that would benefit them more than an extra 2 dollars in their pockets.


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