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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 8:50 am
 


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Then let's un-legislate it. :x

Oh sorry, doing anything to alter in any way shape or form the lives and sense of entitlement that certain undemocratically inclined natives display, on or off the reverse would be considered racist and we wouldn't want that now would we? :roll:

I really wonder how long they can keep their own people down before they realise they're being taken to the bank and not by "whitey" but by their own leaders.


You want to unilaterally remove an agreement between two people?

Lets re-negotiate it, and see how that works out knowing that they got screwed on the last deal, not by their leaders but by us.


Yes.

Re-negotiating the deal wouldn't do anything. FN people, despite coming to an agreement, would still tell us they're being screwed.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:35 pm
 


Curtman Curtman:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Then let's un-legislate it. :x

Oh sorry, doing anything to alter in any way shape or form the lives and sense of entitlement that certain undemocratically inclined natives display, on or off the reverse would be considered racist and we wouldn't want that now would we? :roll:

I really wonder how long they can keep their own people down before they realise they're being taken to the bank and not by "whitey" but by their own leaders.


You want to unilaterally remove an agreement between two people?

Lets re-negotiate it, and see how that works out knowing that they got screwed on the last deal, not by their leaders but by us.


The act is a leglislative dinosaur, its time for it to go extinct. Why perpetuate this horror show. End the act and force the FN to intergrate like everyone one else.

Enough favortism.


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Curtman Curtman:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Then let's un-legislate it. :x

Oh sorry, doing anything to alter in any way shape or form the lives and sense of entitlement that certain undemocratically inclined natives display, on or off the reverse would be considered racist and we wouldn't want that now would we? :roll:

I really wonder how long they can keep their own people down before they realise they're being taken to the bank and not by "whitey" but by their own leaders.


You want to unilaterally remove an agreement between two people?

Lets re-negotiate it, and see how that works out knowing that they got screwed on the last deal, not by their leaders but by us.


The act is a leglislative dinosaur, its time for it to go extinct. Why perpetuate this horror show. End the act and force the FN to intergrate like everyone one else.

Enough favortism.


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Curtman Curtman:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
Then let's un-legislate it. :x

Oh sorry, doing anything to alter in any way shape or form the lives and sense of entitlement that certain undemocratically inclined natives display, on or off the reverse would be considered racist and we wouldn't want that now would we? :roll:

I really wonder how long they can keep their own people down before they realise they're being taken to the bank and not by "whitey" but by their own leaders.


You want to unilaterally remove an agreement between two people?

Lets re-negotiate it, and see how that works out knowing that they got screwed on the last deal, not by their leaders but by us.


I don't want to unilaterally remove an agreement between two people. I want to renegotiate a contract between two groups that's being abused by a select few to the detriment of their constituents.

But then again that likely constitutes changing the dynamics of how they govern their own peoples which, would mean that the onus for the alleged mistreatment, lack of democratic rights and social injustice which is being currently placed on the Canadian Government and the white race would be put where it belongs.

That portion of native leadership that seems hell bent on keeping their own people in servitude so they can continue to live a lifestyle that would put the Bill Gates to shame. 8O

You know that segment of Native Leadership that ascribes to this theory.


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Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
that likely constitutes changing the dynamics of how they govern their own peoples which, would mean that the onus for the alleged mistreatment, lack of democratic rights and social injustice which is being currently placed on the Canadian Government and the white race would be put where it belongs.


There's no such thing as a "white race". It's like the sasquatch, a figment of your imagination. There's only Homo Sapiens.

There is an agreement between Canada, and the people who inhabited the land called Canada, before there was a Canada.


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Curtman Curtman:

There's no such thing as a "white race". It's like the sasquatch, a figment of your imagination. There's only Homo Sapiens.

There is an agreement between Canada, and the people who inhabited the land called Canada, before there was a Canada.


No such thing as a 'white race'? [huh]


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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
No such thing as a 'white race'? [huh]


Guess that means I shouldn't take it personally when the guy at the liquor store says "fuck you whitey" when I don't give him change eh


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:12 pm
 


Curtman Curtman:
Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
that likely constitutes changing the dynamics of how they govern their own peoples which, would mean that the onus for the alleged mistreatment, lack of democratic rights and social injustice which is being currently placed on the Canadian Government and the white race would be put where it belongs.


There's no such thing as a "white race". It's like the sasquatch, a figment of your imagination. There's only Homo Sapiens.

There is an agreement between Canada, and the people who inhabited the land called Canada, before there was a Canada.



Okay then. 8O

Using your logic how about this.

I want the duly elected Gov't of the country, not village like it really means, called Canada to renegotiate a treaty between the indigenous homo sapiens of planet earth who live in the country, not village now known as Canada and the indigenous homo sapiens of planet earth that claim to have lived in the country, not village now know as Canada even longer. :roll:

Is that okay with you and your politically correct stance on race?

But then again, since we're into politically correct terms and since the word Canada means village or town, does that mean we only have a treaty with the homo sapiens who are for legal purposes called natives that live in the villages or towns?

If that is indeed the case then, it would explain why Theresa Spence with all her self taught legal wisdom, secret ancient life sustaining knowledge, exceptional accounting and animal tracking skills would think that any homo sapiens who look like her but live off reserve or out of her village are persona non gratis when it comes to basic democratic rights.

Interesting concept. [huh]


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:24 pm
 


Treaties among dead people have no place in contemporary society.





PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:17 am
 


Freakinoldguy Freakinoldguy:
If that is indeed the case then, it would explain why Theresa Spence with all her self taught legal wisdom, secret ancient life sustaining knowledge, exceptional accounting and animal tracking skills would think that any homo sapiens who look like her but live off reserve or out of her village are persona non gratis when it comes to basic democratic rights.



I only wonder if you consider yourself a biggot, or if you somehow think normal people think this way.





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OnTheIce OnTheIce:
Curtman Curtman:

There's no such thing as a "white race". It's like the sasquatch, a figment of your imagination. There's only Homo Sapiens.

There is an agreement between Canada, and the people who inhabited the land called Canada, before there was a Canada.


No such thing as a 'white race'? [huh]


It's a stupid, obsolete concept.

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Race is a classification system used to categorize humans into large and distinct populations or groups by anatomical, cultural, ethnic, genetic, geographical, historical, linguistic, religious, or social affiliation. First used to denote national affiliations, the term began to be used to relate to physical traits in the 17th century and promoted hierarchies favorable to differing ethnic groups. Starting from the 19th century the term was often used, in a taxonomic sense, to denote genetically differentiated human populations defined by phenotype.[1][2][3]

While biologists sometimes use the concept of race to make distinctions among fuzzy sets of traits, others in the scientific community suggest that the idea of race often is used in a naive[4] or simplistic way,[5] i.e. that among humans, race has no taxonomic significance: all living humans belong to the same species, Homo sapiens and subspecies, Homo sapiens sapiens.[6][7]

Social conceptions and groupings of races vary over time, involving folk taxonomies [8] that define essential types of individuals based on perceived traits. Scientists consider biological essentialism obsolete,[9] and generally discourage racial explanations for collective differentiation in both physical and behavioral traits.[4][10][11][12][13]

Since the second half of the 20th century the associations of race with the ideologies and theories that grew out of the work of 19th-century anthropologists and physiologists has led to the use of the word race itself becoming problematic. Although still used in general contexts, it is now often replaced by other words which are less ambiguous and emotionally charged, such as populations, people(s), ethnic groups, or communities depending on context.[14][15]
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In the last two decades of the 18th century polygenism, the belief that different races had evolved separately in each continent and shared no common ancestor,[48] was advocated in England by historian Edward Long and anatomist Charles White, in Germany by ethnographers Christoph Meiners and Georg Forster, and in France by Julien-Joseph Virey, and prominently in the US by Samuel Morton, Josiah Nott and Louis Agassiz. Polygenism was popular and most widespread in the 19th century, culminating in the creation of the Anthropological Society of London during the American Civil War, in opposition to the Abolitionist Ethnological Society.[49]
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Today, all humans are classified as belonging to the species Homo sapiens and sub-species Homo sapiens sapiens. However, this is not the first species of homininae: the first species of genus Homo, Homo habilis, are theorized to have evolved in East Africa at least 2 million years ago, and members of this species populated different parts of Africa in a relatively short time. Homo erectus is theorized to have evolved more than 1.8 million years ago, and by 1.5 million years ago had spread throughout Europe and Asia. Virtually all physical anthropologists agree that Archaic Homo sapiens (A group including the possible species H. heidelgergensis, H. rhodesiensis and H. neanderthalensis) evolved out of African Homo erectus ((sensu lato) or Homo ergaster).[50][51]

Today anthropologists increasingly believe that anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens sapiens) evolved in North or East Africa from H. heidelbergensis and then migrated out of Africa, mixing with and replacing H. heidelbergensis and H. neanderthalensis populations throughout Europe and Asia, and H. rhodesiensis populations in Sub-Saharan Africa (a combination of the Out of Africa and Multiregional models).[52][verification needed]

Subspecies

Further information: Race (biology), Species, Subspecies, Systematics, Phylogenetics, and Cladistics.
In the early 20th century, many anthropologists accepted and taught the belief that biologically distinct races were isomorphic with distinct linguistic, cultural, and social groups, while popularly applying that belief to the field of eugenics, in conjunction with a practice that is now called scientific racism.[53]

Following the Nazi eugenics program, racial essentialism lost widespread popularity. Subsequently, race anthropologists were pressured to acknowledge findings coming from studies of culture and population genetics, and to revise their conclusions about the sources of phenotypic variation.[54] A significant number of modern anthropologists and biologists in the West came to view race as an invalid genetic or biological designation.[55]

The first to challenge the concept of race on empirical grounds were anthropologists Franz Boas, who demonstrated phenotypic plasticity due to environmental factors,[56] and Ashley Montagu who relied on evidence from genetics.[57] E. O. Wilson then challenged the concept from the perspective of general animal systematics, and further rejected the claim that "races" were equivalent to "subspecies".[58]
According to Jonathan Marks,[46]

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By the 1970s, it had become clear that (1) most human differences were cultural; (2) what was not cultural was principally polymorphic – that is to say, found in diverse groups of people at different frequencies; (3) what was not cultural or polymorphic was principally clinal – that is to say, gradually variable over geography; and (4) what was left – the component of human diversity that was not cultural, polymorphic, or clinal – was very small.

A consensus consequently developed among anthropologists and geneticists that race as the previous generation had known it – as largely discrete, geographically distinct, gene pools – did not exist.


In biology the term "race" is used with caution because it can be ambiguous. Generally when it is used it is synonymous with subspecies.[59] For mammals, the taxonomic unit below the species level is usually the subspecies.[60]
Population geneticists have debated whether the concept of population can provide a basis for a new conception of race. In order to do this, a working definition of population must be found. Surprisingly, there is no generally accepted concept of population that biologists use. Although the concept of population is central to ecology, evolutionary biology and conservation biology, most definitions of population rely on qualitative descriptions such as "a group of organisms of the same species occupying a particular space at a particular time"[61] Waples and Gaggiotti identify two broad types of definitions for populations; those that fall into an ecological paradigm, and those that fall into an evolutionary paradigm. Examples of such definitions are:

Ecological paradigm: A group of individuals of the same species that co-occur in space and time and have an opportunity to interact with each other.

Evolutionary paradigm: A group of individuals of the same species living in close-enough proximity that any member of the group can potentially mate with any other member.[61]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_(human_classification)

There is no meaningful use to talking about a "white race". There's a very diverse group of people who claim to be part of it. Most of them are known today as "hillbillies", or "rednecks".

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Well seeing as how there is no "white race" then there is no reason to have talks with the First Nations people. Curtman has just now given them a brick wall to talk with and rant about. If the "white race" does not exist anymore then they have no one to go and demand repreations or adjustment to land deals with.





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stratos stratos:
Well seeing as how there is no "white race" then there is no reason to have talks with the First Nations people. Curtman has just now given them a brick wall to talk with and rant about. If the "white race" does not exist anymore then they have no one to go and demand repreations or adjustment to land deals with.



Wow. Here's another one of them now.

Try reading the treaties. Does it say anything about a "white race"? Is it an agreement between just them and Canada, or are white people in the U.S. or say, Germany a party to those agreements too? Only White Canadians? Or brown ones as well?

Idiots.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:47 am
 


You're the one who claims there are no more white people. Wow you really have no clue about sarcasm do you. :roll:





PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 4:51 am
 


stratos stratos:
You're the one who claims there are no more white people. Wow you really have no clue about sarcasm do you. :roll:


You believe there are subspecies of humans? The science says no.

There's all sorts of colours of people.

Ooooh look, I'm in the brown hair race. My wife has brown hair, and blue eyes. Does she go with the blue people or the brown people?

Idiots.


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