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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:57 pm
 


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Now that the Governor-General has accepted Stephen Harper's request for a prorogation of Parliament until Jan. 26, there is time for everyone to take a breath and think through what just happened and what happens next. As a Liberal, I believe the first step for my party is to replace Stéphane Dion as leader with someone whose first job is to rebuild the Liberal Party, rather than leading a coalition with the NDP.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:03 pm
 


WOW.

More chaos for the Liberals.


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This is the biggest bone of contention for most people. Most will agree that Stevie Blunder made a major bonehead move....either that or a brilliant political move that has a Dennis Miller factor involved(Simpson's fans will understand).

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The notion that the public would accept Stéphane Dion as prime minister, after having resoundingly rejected that possibility a few weeks earlier, was delusional at best. Mr. Dion had seemed to accept responsibility for the defeat (although somewhat reluctantly), and should have left his post immediately.

Confronted by a political crisis that was not of his making, Mr. Dion became an obstacle to his party, and to the opposition, in dealing with it. His weakness probably fuelled the Conservative hubris that led to this fiasco in the first place. Furthermore, in agreeing to the terms of the coalition with the NDP and the Bloc, Mr. Dion bound his successor to a controversial arrangement without even consulting any of the candidates to succeed him in the process, leaving them no option but to endorse it or break with him as party leader.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 3:24 am
 


I think he should step down wednesday, coalition or not. At this point he is doing more harm than good. Too danerous having him leader in these tense times when there could possibly be an election before the Liberal convention.

I wonder if he does step down and there is an interm Liberal leader, if it will change opinions on the coalition.


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I would think Dion's resignation would give the Liberals the option of supporting the government as before. The coalition polled poorly and gave the Conservatives a boost. Come January it will only be four months to the Liberal leadership convention when everything changes again. I thought Harper would take a hit for screwing up the government but he dodged that bullet.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 5:11 am
 


But, but but, weren't all you NDPers and Libs telling it it was such a great idea to have Dion as PM just yesterday?

This is exactly why Canadians are turning away from this coalition by the minute. You guys can't even keep your own lies straight.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 6:18 am
 


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I think he should step down wednesday, coalition or not. At this point he is doing more harm than good. Too danerous having him leader in these tense times when there could possibly be an election before the Liberal convention.

I wonder if he does step down and there is an interm Liberal leader, if it will change opinions on the coalition.


Weren't you just supporting this colaition a few days ago in becoming the next government and Dion as PM?

Now all of sudden it's jetision Dion and get a new leader?

What gives, you can't have it both ways you know?


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 9:19 am
 


Heck, this coalition is done. Even the Star is calling for Dion to step down.
Meh, I really wish I'd seen this video of his.
Out of focus... whiny and with the Hot Air book in the backgroud!
The Liberals only have themselves to blame.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:04 am
 


I was hoping more rational and reasonable folks like Manley would stay ayay from this turd in the punch bowl...

This goes here..


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 10:40 am
 


Gotta love it!


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:21 pm
 


manley had some good points in his colum , especially the one that idea ( that someone who had just lost election wold be excepted to lead the country was delusional at best )

as for dion , i think he should leave politics as soon as possible and when he leaves they should give up this stuiped coalition as well . the liberals can return to being the opposiiton and then wait till there leadership race in may . canadians simply do not view there party as being ready to return to power so they need to wait and stop trying to rush things .


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:49 pm
 


Canadaka Canadaka:
I think he should step down wednesday, coalition or not. At this point he is doing more harm than good. Too danerous having him leader in these tense times when there could possibly be an election before the Liberal convention.

I wonder if he does step down and there is an interm Liberal leader, if it will change opinions on the coalition.


Some suggest Iggy but I think Goodale would be the best option here as he has no ambition to run in the leadership there would be no conflict. If Iggy got it then the Rae camp would cause further disruption.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 2:23 pm
 


Dion should have stepped down right after the election and let an interm lead until the convention. IMHO - this was an attemp by his ego to get himself on the list of Canadian PMs.

As for the new leaders, I would like to see Ralph Goodale run. I am not a liberal supporter but he is one of the more level headed people in that party. Ignatieff seems alright, but I think the liberals will really be shooting themselves in the foot if Rae is voted in as the leader - if your willing to do that, you'll may as well walk half of your mp's across the floor...





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Tominalberta Tominalberta:
Dion should have stepped down right after the election and let an interm lead until the convention. IMHO - this was an attemp by his ego to get himself on the list of Canadian PMs.

As for the new leaders, I would like to see Ralph Goodale run. I am not a liberal supporter but he is one of the more level headed people in that party. Ignatieff seems alright, but I think the liberals will really be shooting themselves in the foot if Rae is voted in as the leader - if your willing to do that, you'll may as well walk half of your mp's across the floor...


changing leaders isn't going to save the Liberals..hot off the press.

http://www.680news.com/news/headlines/m ... 123323_308


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Tominalberta Tominalberta:
Dion should have stepped down right after the election and let an interm lead until the convention. IMHO - this was an attemp by his ego to get himself on the list of Canadian PMs.


He made the decision as the leader when he did not rally his own party to the cause and had also declared his intent to step down. The coalition is certainly legal but it is no where near legitimate with the intent to hand the PM position to a deposed leader.

The Bloc has a massive advantage in funding as every other party has to canvas the entire country in both languages the Bloc only does one province with one language and is nothing but a prop for the BQ. The Liberals had 5 years to gear towards the new change in fund raising and the NDP leader was given the choice of the devil or the witch. Going alone would have been a waste for them so they joined up just like they signed up with Harper in 2004 and Day in 2000. So the whole threat to the country was used as an excuse to cover their reaction to the threat to their political skins.

Still the timing of this finical statement could not have been worse. Quebec is in the midst of an election and Harper went on the attack vs the Bloc has all but reignited the Bloc brand. Charest will be lucky to come away from this a little bit singed. Now we have a constitutional crisis, a reignited separatist crisis in not one but two provinces and we still have nothing done for the economic crisis with Parliament closed until late January when the crisis is getting worse by the hour. Dion may have spoken out of turn with this whole coalition idea but Harper has really hurt the country.


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